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| whats the difference? ive got a newer truck "about 6 yrs old" and not sure what i got |
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Brazilton KS | Budds have a ball seat nut that locates the wheel to the hub using the studs. Accurides, or "hub pilot" locate the wheel using the fit between the pilot hole and the center of the hub. The wheel does not fit tight on the stud and it uses a flange type nut.
More basically....Budds will take a 1 1/2" socket while Accuride will take either 30 or 33 mm. |
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| neighbor called one day
had the outer 10 nuts of a "budd" wheel off
New to him tractor
He asked how the hack do you get the inner rim off
I asked if he had 10 or twenty nuts off
he said 10
then had to drive back 8 miles
to get my "inner" nut socket to get the tire changed
only would have been ten nuts on a hub pilot |
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Boone, Iowa | The hub pilot wheels use one nut to hold both wheels on. Budd wheels have an outer nut to hold the outside wheel on and the inner stud nut to hold the inside nut on. The Budds also had right hand and left hand threads. The stud nuts will have an "L" stamped into the end. I am going from memory, but think the passenger side of the truck has the left-hand threads. |
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Northeast Kansas | Actually driver side has the left hand threads. |
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Brazilton KS | Budds will not necessarily have left hand threads on one side.
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Aberdeen MS | "Budd" wheel has been generic terminology for a dish rim ...... basically. "Dayton" is the generic term for an open centers rim using cleats to hold it to the hub.
I know plowboy knows the difference, but I'm sure many will just call a dished rim a Budd whether it is hub piloted or stud pilot.
For those unsure about stud pilot and hub pilot.
If your "stud" showing with the wheels mounted has a square end about 3/4" square with a 1 1/2" nut (as plowboy mentioned earlier), you have stud pilot rims (older style). The "nut" will only let the outer dual be removed, then you need another socket (square) to take the "inner cap" off to remove the inner dual.
If you have a "normal looking" stud showing with a nut and what looks like a washer under it, you have a hub pilot rim. Removing the one nut will allow both inner and outer dual to be removed at the same time. |
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St.Clair Co. IL. | Lets hope you have pilot hub, the guy who came up with the budd wheel studs must have been a sadist! the best wrench for a budd stud nut is a heat wrench. Bob |
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MN | That's true until you get a hub pilot corroded enough to seize the wheel on the hub. |
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| Ok, Budd wheels is a loose and inaccurate term for Stud piloted wheels. Budd is actually a brand. Most of your stud piloted and hub piloted wheels are made by accuride . I work for a company that sells simulators for trucks. People call all the time and say they have Budd wheels but they don't . They have accuride studd piloted wheels. Probably over 98 % of stud piloted wheels still on the road are not BUDD wheels. It's kind of like the first gas automobile was invented in Germeny by Karl Friedrich Benz. So if you needed parts for your chevy would you label it a Benz becuase they were the first? What I am saying is most simulators won't work on BUDD brand wheels because they are few still out there and they are a difference in the Budds from the acurides. So if you have studd piloted wheels and need accessories or parts don't tell people its a budd wheel because you may get the wrong thing.
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Huntley, Wyoming | Everyone that I have ever been around has one left and one right. Always roll ahead to go on, and roll back to go off.
edit: every stud piloted (budd)
Edited by coxbill 2/3/2012 17:11
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| Coxbill, you are correct. Stud piloted wheels at least everything from mid 1970's up will be left handed thread on the drivers side and right on the passanger. THey also use standardizez theads and hex. Hub piloted will always be right hand thread and use metric studs and hex. |
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Brazilton KS | We have budds ball seat wheels with right hand on both sides.
Edited by plowboy 2/3/2012 20:01
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budd wheels vs hub pilot wheels
