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NW Ohio | Currently running a 15 ft. Black Machine with JD radial bean meters. This planter does a tremendous job, however I would like to go to something that is 30 ft' wide to speed things up. I really like the precision of the radial bean meters and would like to stick with something similar. Any suggestions? |
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southern Illinois | Kinze is the best planter for 15 inch by far. I'm sure that will get some argument. lol
Use kinze bean units or jd radial bean meters, both are real good.
Edited by commissioner 4/24/2010 08:23
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| Kinze is probably the best factory option currently for 15" rows. White with a splitter bar would probably be decent also.
Working on 20" rows on 1 bar kinda sucks and I can't believe that 15" rows would be better.
If you are into building stuff I think the old Cyclo's are cheap enough and would work excellent for building a bean planter. Get bulk fill as an added bonus. |
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central - east central Minnesota - | For conventional, semi-till or no-till ? In no-till conditions, I'd opt for the JD750/1560/1590 series with the SI bean meter belts. They singluate the beans out as well as the CaseIH air planters . . . . . |
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missouri | kinze, |
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West Central IL | I have had a 2600 kinze for 11 years, it is very good and have done a lot of custom work with it. It is great but I am sick of filling it. I am going bulk fill next year. |
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Brazilton KS | There is not a row unit on the market which will compare to an Early Riser. The 1200 ASM meters are also the best you can buy. Our center pivot planter works very well, but i'm concerned about electronic reliability based on the first year's experience. |
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Revere Missouri very northeast corner. | Ive been looking at a case ih 5500 soybean special. heard good things about them and you can find one for under 20000. if we have a good year this will be my next purchase. |
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Flora IL | Kinze unless u can afford a case 1200. Plowboy I hear ya. We have a first year 1200 and at times we get errors and stuff but we've never lost any days of work cause of electronics on it. (Knock on wood). |
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Renville Minnesota | I dunno which is best, but when your throwin over 100,000 seeds an acre, I'd doubt anyones metering system makes them more $ per acre........ I vote soybean special, depth and coverings all ya need in soybeans....Phooey on soybean spacing...Put 80 acres worth of seed in the hopper n go! FWIW were on 30" for soys. |
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| JD 1790, picket fence stands and no-till capable |
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| I believe you are correct. The Early Riser row unit is the finest no till unit ever designed. |
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Casey Illinois | We have a 955 CaseIH soybean special. Can not think of anything except a 1200 series I would replace it with |
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| Since 1997 we have owned a Kinze 12/23 2600, a JD 1790 16/32, a Kinze 3600 16/32, & am currently running a CIH 1240 24x20" planter. For simplicity the 2600 Kinze was the best and did a good job of singulating seeds but you had to watch grade sizes as a too large or small of bean would cause problems & you'd have to change seed plates. Same for the 3600 but it never spaced corn as accurately as the 2600 did, partly becuase of a slight change in meter design & partly because we were running a lot higher pops with the 3600, 38-40,000 compared to 32-34,000 with the 2600. The 1790 was one of the worst planters I have ever owned as far as seed spacing & was a PITA to load indivudual bags into. The 1240 does a real nice job of seed spacing & depth control, & is easy to load with individual bags. Unfortunately we have had several different issues with the planter since buying it new last year. If Kinze would have had the bulk fill planter they have now instead of what they had when we bought the 1240 we probably would have went that way instead. Seems like we are always working on the 1240. :~(. When working right it's probably the best planter on the market. If we could only keep it running. |
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Western illinois | boog did you figure out your plugging issues? i'm sorry to hear so many
problems with the 1240. i just love my 1200. it's an awesome piece of
equipment. it never ceases to amaze me when the engineers take a great
machine and screw it up with the next "upgrade". |
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cropsey, il 61731 | I built the same thing out of a great plains 24' drill (removed drill units, added a 4x7 bar and mounted IH800 planter units). It works, but I have some of the same problems that make the 5500's cheaper and cheaper each year. The IH unit is designed to be fed by a tube with seed blown through it. A drill wants to drop seeds straight down through the unit. The 5500 and my drill have some angle from the box to the unit and it's a place where seeds can clog up. Also, drill units are short, simple and pretty much sit right under the boxes. The planter units are longer and being staggered mean a longer distance from the box and increases the chances of something going wrong in the seed delivery. There are folks here that have made modifications, but I see many have had their drills for sale/sold them.
I raised my boxes up higher which has helped a lot from my first attempt. Next, if it will work I'd like to mount the seed boxes back and more over the unit seed tube. However, it would be putting some pretty good torque on the drill frame and I'm not sure it's up to it. What I need to do is replace the 2 runs of 3x3 of drill frame with the 4x7 I mounted below the 3x3 frame and locate the 3x3 frame that the boxes mount to back 6" from the 4x7 so the seed drops more straight down.
I guess I said a lot to say the seed needs to drop straight down for a drill to work right instead of trying to get seed to roll down an accordian hose at an angle.
I'm sure more of the guys can elaborate more on the 5500. Great idea, but not so great in practice.
Thanks,
Pat
PS: I added the SI meters to my drill and they work great for everything except large seed.
PPS: I also have a TL16 kinze that I could add 15 pusher units to and forget the drill modifications. If only I could adapt boxes, with meters and a drive system to the IH 800 units and use them (the drill is likely pretty worthless if I try to sell it). I'm pretty sure I could come up with a linkage and mounting parts to make them into pusher units. Also, it's hard to beat the spread out design of the kinze - others like the 1780/90, 1200, white work very well, but have units all very close to each other - not the best for trash flow and definitely not as fun to work on.
PPPS: The 955 soybean special is getting cheaper as well, but it holds less seed than the 5500 (45 bu vs at least 50bu on the 5500). It also has planting units pretty close to each other, needs a pto pump if you have an older tractor and is pretty heavy. More complexity, but feeds the IH planting units as they were designed to be fed. The price is still a little high for just a 30' bean planter only (they are arguably not the best corn planter).
Edited by Pat H 4/24/2010 13:16
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| I'll throw in my vote for Case IH soybean special drills. We run a 20' 5400 with the standard fluted meters and a 30' 5500 with the S.I. meters. I know, I know... the spacing is not perfect but the IH early riser units are perfect out of the box. We found the more crap you bolt on to the units the more you limit yourself in touh conditions. The 30 footer holds about 70ish units and the 20' holds around 45. FWIW. |
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mw | john deere 1790 |
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West Kentucky | I hope a 1790 is since we just bought one. We have ran various kinze 15" planters over the last 20 years or so. We plant double cropped beans here behind wheat and the ground has a tendency to get hard. The kinze always did a fair job, but tends to have trouble keeping the wings in the ground consistantly in these conditions. We built weight brackets for each wing and that did help. Last year, I looked at a lot of different beans planted by various planters under these conditions. There was no doubt that the 1790 did a better job "last year" no matter which farmer's field I looked at. So, we went with the 1790. Now I just hope I made the right decision. |
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southern indiana | I have ran a 3600 kinze for awhile the switched to a 1790 this year the kinze was great but filling 31 boxes got old and the deere unit is with out a doubt heavier the kinze monitor was easier to use than the deere for me but all in all i think the 1790 will be here for a while |
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| Not yet. CIH is sending a guy Monday. We have check & rechecked everything we can thik of. Sonn ran 40 ac of no-till beans into cornstalks & had to stop on every end to clean put right side, left side only plugged twice. Yesterday before the rains he was having trouble pushing dirt on that side where we had disced & ran f.c. in stalks. :~( |
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NEIN | I have had a CIH 5500 and Kinze 3600 and this Deere is much better than either of the others, except to work on.
The Case unit would be ok if you are working all your ground or have mellow soil and the Kinze is simple and easy to work on but filling all those boxes really gets old. The deere works good and is plenty heavy. Oh how it pains me to write that. :) |
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sw corner ia. | had early risers for years, tru vee openers on this kinze work just as well in notill here. Better in wet conditions too.
If you like the black machine planter you will love the twin line kinze. Built like the rest should be.
also, I had a 5500 for a few years and my very humble advise is to stay the heck away from that pos.
Edited by dvswia 4/24/2010 16:46
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Western illinois | that is really strange. i can imagine the frustration. we'll all be
interested to hear the fix. hopefully soon, for your sake. |
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WC Ohio | The one that's paid for & still plants |
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NW Ohio | Thanks for everyone's opinions.......Opinions are just like bellybuttons, everyone has one! Thanks again. |
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| Had a black machine also, great planter. Running a Kinze 3600 now, works great. We put 7 tractor weights on each wing and don't have any problems.
-dan. |
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| We own 2 soybean specials. They work great in no till going into corn stalks. 1 of them has belt meters and the other has cup meters. The belt meters do not work well with bigger seed size. Anything bigger that 2500 seeds per pound with shred those belts and you will cuss it up and down all spring and probably burn it by the end of the year. The cup meter works great all all seed sizes but you do have to adjust it everyone your seed size changes. Other than that they are great |
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