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Alberta, Canada | Wondering... does anyone have a rake with this option where the V rake has a couple small wheels in the center for raking the center swath when you are raking 3 to 1?
How do you like it?
Jiffy has one http://www.westwardproducts.com/hay_rakes_hc.htm , plus I've noticed other companies have the same sort of thing too.
I have a standard Enorossi 12 wheel rake which I've been using a lot this year again with the crops bieng so light to speed up baling and picking. Alot of the fields I could have gone 3 to one but couldn't as the center swath was damp and would get covered up etc. Being able to even just fluff it up a bit too when raking 3 to 1 would really help a lot of the time.
Edited by Larry in AB 8/5/2009 02:05
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| We've got center kickers on a WRX201 CaseIH hi capacity, and as far as I'm concerned, they are nothing but a pain in the butt. YMMV. |
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central - east central Minnesota - | I was thinking about center kicker wheels also - why are they a pain? Care to elaborate a bit more Chad . . . TIA |
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| Is that one that is made by Sitrex? How many wheels? |
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| Yes, made by Sitrex ours is a 10 wheel. The center kickers don't have enough angle to them to move much crop, you still have a little band of unturned crop at the edges of the windrow. Plus, they want to get hung up in the lift chains, they drag on the windrows finishing the ends, and all sorts of silly stuff. We thought they would be the bomb, but if we get another rake, I won't bother. Overall, I like the rake though.
What I would REALLY like in the next rake, would be the pull type rotaries that can double or single in any width, and will turn the whole swath, but them things are $$$$$.
Edited by Pofarmer 8/5/2009 09:52
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Alberta, Canada | I had a look at the CIH here http://www1.caseih.com/northamerica/Products/HayForage/WheelRakes/P...
I was wondering if those center wheels could be lifted up hydraulically?? Sounds like your saying on this model you can't which would be a pain.
The Jiffy brand I posted first says they are controled hydraulically, I'm not sure about the enorossi rakes.
Edited by Larry in AB 8/5/2009 10:34
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| We've got a tonitti(sp) with the center kicker. It raises with the rest of the rake. I wouldn't say it moves all the center but does fluff it up somewhat. If you could stick 2 in there it would probably do a good job but don't think theres room for that in ours. Somewhat like chad stated it needs to run at a sharper angle. We "tweeked" ours little so it sets at a little sharper angle. Ours doesn't give any trouble. |
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Alberta, Canada | I have the same rake as you Larry. Don't have the kicker-wheel, but I'd been looking for one last year. Even with my mowing method (8' swath left from a 12' mower) I felt the edges weren't getting flipped enough.
Some rakes offer an un-even number of wheels, so after raking it together, the last wheel flips the whole twin or triple swath over. "Y" rakes I think. Mine kind of does that.....
My favorite V-rake: http://www.nikkelironworks.com/917.html# |
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Alberta, Canada | Yes I've seen those Y rakes as Enorossi has one too. I'd like to see one work. I wonder if it would make it into too tight on of a windrow? That might be an option though as when I rake 3 to one they're just light little swaths anyway so it wouldn't matter much. Hmmm you got me thinking I could maybe add on those extra wheels on to the back of my rake some how?? I cut with 9 ft disc mower and square bale everything.
Edited by Larry in AB 8/5/2009 18:41
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Leesburg, Ohio | Ditch the V rakes and get a double rotary...really no comparison...so much cleaner job, nicer windrow, faster drying, better bales, easier to follow with baler. |
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Alberta, Canada | You're right. The difference is HUGE! Especially in COST.
There isn't a real hay market here. People consider 75/ton to be high, even for premium hay.
Edited by JoshA 8/5/2009 14:33
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Alberta, Canada | You can add the kicker wheel into your rake! Assuming you have the same or similar rake as mine that is. It's just a matter of 4 (or is it 6, hmm) bolts on the hitch frame/beam. Unbolt those, bolt in the kicker wheel. Adds about a foot of overall length to your rake.
Edit: Here's a picture off their website, it's of the newer model (newer than mine) but it gives an idea of where it mounts and how it is.
The Sovema rakes are the same.
Edited by JoshA 8/5/2009 14:39
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Alberta, Canada | Hey that's different I never seen that before. I could make something like that on my old rake even.
This what I thought Enorrossi only had. The Easy Rake model http://www.enorossi.it/english/english/ranghinatori_easy-rake.html |
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Alberta, Canada | Not sure how they would work for my appication. I only cut 9ft. and I'm talking about "little" swaths I'm raking together. I find the wheel rakes are pretty gentle on the crop and do a good job.
I thought the rotary rakes were more the climates where the hay has to be tedded (spread out) for faster drying then raked together for baling.
I've seen them around though on lots up here so some guys must use them. |
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Texas | Yep. Pofarmer is right on target. I have a 12 wheel HT-154. The center kicker wheels are a great idea poorly executed. |
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Central California | http://circlecequipment.com/hayrakes.html |
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Tryon,Oklahoma | Anybody ever put a hitch behind a wheel rake and pulled a side delivery rake behind it ? Just thinking out loud. |
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| I have thought about doing what enrossi does, sort of, and adding a couple wheels behind my rake. However, the problems I see are that it might cause the rake to want to plug in very heavy hay AND, it might want to really throw the windrow when raking at high speeds. |
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W.C. Mo. |
for a big round baler,you need an equal windrow side to side. If you add something behind a wheel rake it will make an uneven windrow, thus a lopsided bale. |
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V rakes with the center kicker wheels
