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North central ND | For those of you that aren’t on twitter, here’s some pictures of the new s series. Not my pictures, I don’t know if this was in ND or not, someone on here probably knows more. I read that it will be called a S7 series, with the model number being 800, 900 etc. don’t know if they changed much more than the side panel and cab, little we can see looks the same. Don’t know when it will be released, MY24 is still old styling, this is just a pre production model.
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SC WI | I heard a rumor they will be available for MY 2025. However I heard they were going to be twin rotors(two 24” rotors), this one pictured looks similar to a single rotor under the lifted panel. Hopefully they removed shoe augers and added more cleaning area(Probably not). |
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NE SD | I heard otherwise. I don't think there's any benefit in going twin in anything below class 9 or 10. Just too many moving parts for very little gain in that size machine. Biggest thing would be a change in drive setups that would allow an engine throttle back when power isn't needed like I believe they have done in the X9 machines. That saves a ton of fuel in the sprayer and W series windrower we have. |
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| I know the 2024s are the same but I have heard that the 2024s have some improvements to help with grain quality in wet corn and can be fitted out of the factory instead of add ons but that new one is suppose to be released sometime next year for 2025 order |
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Kingston, Iowa | I hope they put longer struts under the side doors so I don't crack my head on it! |
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East Central Indiana | That's how they keep us stupid enough to keep buying their junk. |
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| No kidding, why they don't open up further is just silly. |
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Central ND | Amen to that |
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Slicker than a Yes album. | Not badged, out in the open = not being introduced for at least 2 years. That's been the MO for a while now. This one is from 2010.
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SC WI | On FB of this new combine, a post noted that a class 8/9 twin rotor is in the works. So I would assume the class 6/7 will probably stay single rotor. |
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| Is there still a market in 2024 for class 6 and 7 combines? Wouldn't most farmers be better off buying a 2nd hand class 8/9 machine? It costs a lot of produce those small capacity combines
I can't believe I just typed that considering 25 years ago, a 12 row 30ft machine was big, but that's small now. |
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NE SD | There are still a lot of custom harvesters running class 7 machines. On green ones it is probably due to weight for transport. Neighbor traded combines this year and low hour S770's are pretty much non-existent in this part of the world. |
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Nw Iowa | You would think after running basically same box for almost 20 years they would have it figured out |
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SC WI | Depends on the future economics. I personally don’t want a 10 year old class 8/9 with my acres, with a two man operation we just can’t move the grain away fast enough. Then to fix the bottle necks, the dog chases its tail, costing $100 of thousands along the way.
If you look at the market share s770 numbers are about the same as s780, and s760 about the same as s790. So that means class 7/8 is where the peak of deeres sales are at. Not much difference between a s760 and s770, so might as well have a class 6 in the lineup. Class 5s have been phased out, even though they are very popular in my area. |
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Nebraska | A bigger combine just sits more in the field after you fill everything up faster, you don't have to fix the bottlenecks, you get it done in less separator hours. Bigger combines are the future. My class 7 looks like a small machine now days, next one will be a class 8. |
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Western indiana | Hope the new s has a bigger hopper option than that one |
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SC WI | 3/4s of the time the logistics of my class 6 combine harvesting operations mesh very well, The remaining 25% is not enough to warrant much change. I battled getting a bigger machine two years ago and chose not to.
Couple cons
1) same hours/same price, but more bushels of wear
2) more fuel consumption if not run at capacity
3) Higher spec’d components are more expensive to repair(pro drive, 13.5l engine, 4x4, supercharger, rethreasher, to name a few)
4) 40’ heads are same price, but have more gearbox’s and other things to break(wearable parts are a wash)
5) more field loss with 40’ heads on uneven ground
6) ingestion of rocks with a draper
You must have missed the part where class 7 sales are almost the same as class 8, and the only difference between class 6 and 7 is hp. So might as well have a class 6 in the lineup.
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NE SD | There are nearly 4x as many s780s on the market as there are 770s. No, their market share isn't the same. |
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| You would think so but that’s where they need more customer relations not just Midwest but all over the globe we get over looked here in the southeast |
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NW MN | Excalibur - 9/10/2023 13:04
3/4s of the time the logistics of my class 6 combine harvesting operations mesh very well, The remaining 25% is not enough to warrant much change. I battled getting a bigger machine two years ago and chose not to.
Couple cons
1) same hours/same price, but more bushels of wear
2) more fuel consumption if not run at capacity
3) Higher spec’d components are more expensive to repair(pro drive, 13.5l engine, 4x4, supercharger, rethreasher, to name a few)
4) 40’ heads are same price, but have more gearbox’s and other things to break(wearable parts are a wash)
5) more field loss with 40’ heads on uneven ground
6) ingestion of rocks with a draper
You must have missed the part where class 7 sales are almost the same as class 8, and the only difference between class 6 and 7 is hp. So might as well have a class 6 in the lineup.
What size head here are you comparing to 40’? And in what crop?
Maybe in your land a 40’ has more head loss but I’d say for areas that run 40’ and larger that isn’t the case as heads get bigger if the operator actually pays attention. |
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SC WI | I stand corrected twice as many 780s as 770s, and closer to 1.5 times more 680s than 670s.
When I was looking two years ago the numbers were a clear bell curve. Todays numbers could mean more demand for used class 7s than 8s.
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SC WI | We are in an area where side hill combines are common. Go east or south, and yes 40’ is more capable.
Wire farms was implying class 8 combines can work for every operation. I was countering that.
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SC WI | My tractorhouse search yielded 511 for s770s.
Interesting that the 790s are about equal to 770s in numbers.
10 year old Class 8’s are going to be real cheap shortly. |
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Central ND | 10 year old class 9 already are.....can buy s690 all day long for $90-110 |
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SC WI | All the s series with comparable hours are in that range, doesn’t matter class size. I would suspect a lot of the big machines get exported. |
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NE SD | 10 year old class 8s (2012-2013 S series in general) have been cheap for a while....and for good reason. 2015+ are way better machines.l |
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Roseglen, North Dakota | Isnt 400 enuff? 500 bu with extensions. |
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Roseglen, North Dakota | Nearly every part is the same on 2017 aa the 2012. So what makes the newer ones better? |
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NE SD | There were more changes physically between a 2012 and a 2017 than there were from an S680 to an S780. The feeder house has way more capacity, completely different shoe, re-thrasher problems were pretty much eliminated, the list goes on. |
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Central ND | They certainly didn't eliminate the rethrasher problems in the crops we raise? Canola and peas were a constant struggle here with rethrasher problems. And from what I gather shoe problems have been a nightmare in new machines as well?
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| Excalibur - 9/10/2023 12:47 Depends on the future economics. I personally don’t want a 10 year old class 8/9 with my acres, with a two man operation we just can’t move the grain away fast enough.
You just have to buy the big combine cheap enough that it doesn't matter if you only use it like a Class 6 or 7.
We have a Class 8 combine running a 20’ corn head that usually only sees between 2000-2500 bph in corn as that's about as fast as we can haul it away.
It even spends a little time behind a 6x 30” corn head but I don't really care because we bought it cheaper than what we would have had to pay for similar hour smaller combine at the same time.
In beans where the trucks can keep up it’s awesome to be able to do 15 acres/hr instead of maybe doing 8-10 with a smaller machine.
The extra fuel use isn’t worth worrying about if you buy the big combine cheap enough.
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| The pics above are recent, but there have been other pics circulating for over a year already. Based on what was shared in other threads, these will be released early 2024 for the 2025 model year. Deere has been announcing new combine models in late May/early June. Timing would be the same 5 year span between the S600 (2012) & S700 (2017) |
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East Central Indiana | Jason Hinson - 9/10/2023 07:55
I hope they put longer struts under the side doors so I don't crack my head on it!
I just noticed there are three different holes to attach the gas struts to on our s770. Now i have 80" of clearance under the side panel. Almost need a stool to pull it closed. |
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NW KS/ SC ID | Excalibur - 9/10/2023 13:04
3/4s of the time the logistics of my class 6 combine harvesting operations mesh very well, The remaining 25% is not enough to warrant much change. I battled getting a bigger machine two years ago and chose not to.
Couple cons
1) same hours/same price, but more bushels of wear
2) more fuel consumption if not run at capacity
3) Higher spec’d components are more expensive to repair(pro drive, 13.5l engine, 4x4, supercharger, rethreasher, to name a few)
4) 40’ heads are same price, but have more gearbox’s and other things to break(wearable parts are a wash)
5) more field loss with 40’ heads on uneven ground
6) ingestion of rocks with a draper
You must have missed the part where class 7 sales are almost the same as class 8, and the only difference between class 6 and 7 is hp. So might as well have a class 6 in the lineup.
Lots of sense in that post, thank you! Prepare for ridicule unfortunately. You know the NAT saying, if you have to care about combine fuel economy, you have no business owning a combine. ;)
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New John Deere S7 series pics
