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Leesport, PA | Looking to update field cultivators in the next couple of months and have had a John Deere in the back of our minds for a couple of years. It seems though we could use a little education on them as my internet shopping has led to a bag of mixed results.
1. What year did they start making 980s?
2. What major updates were made over the years? It seems like when we looked around a few years ago that some of the newer ones had shanks that had very little play compared to the earlier 980s. What year was the shank change made? Is it worth extra money?
3. What's the difference between a 980 and a 985? Seems that I remember it only being a width issue with the 985's being wider than 45 feet. Is it just a width issue or were there other differences?
4. What are the differences between 980/985 and 2210?
5. Are all 2210's self leveling (I don't know if this is the correct term)?
6. Any first hand experience that will help us in deciding which to go with?
7. Any weak spots to check when we take a look at them?
8. Are there such things as 2200s? If so where do they fit in the scheme of things?
We are shopping for a 44-45 foot model although we might be able to pull a little larger one (we have a Cat 85E with around 375 horsepower to pull it)
Anything else or brands to consider while shopping?
Sorry for the long post, I truly do appreciate your input.
Thanks,
Ryan |
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Agent Orange: Friendly fire that keeps on burning. | Frame on a cultivator needs to flex at the wing hinges so it can follow the ground. Most every one does that. Frame also needs to be able to twist front-to-back so the front outside corner can follow the dip in the ground without pulling the rear outside corner too deep or vise-versa. Flexi-Coil 820 flexes both ways. The ability of a frame to twist, didn't used to be a big deal when you were running two ranks of shanks 2 feet from front to back. Modern cultivators have increased rank spacing to allow for better trash flow. Deeper frames make the twist deal almost a necessity for the way I farm. |
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Elmira, Ontario | - mid 90's (1994?)
- shank change was around 2000
- 985 was a five section cultivator with lift wheels on each section
- can't remember all the differences, but different type frame construction, computer controlled depth control allowing you to adjust each wheel pod independently from the cab, good for erasing tracks (single point is also available), available higher trip pressure shanks were a few
- 2210 is available in two styles, 3 or 5 section floating hitch and 3 section level lift (replaces the 980). Floating hitch controls the front of the cultivator right at the front shanks. It was also available on the 985 as an option
- I'll leave that to owners
- I'll leave that to owners
- 2200 was available for a couple years, starting around 2002(?). I think it was only a floating hitch unit. The level lift 980 was still available those years
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West Central IL | If you go with the 980 make sure you get a later model with the 4 bar adjustable tine harrow.I had 2 different 980's and now have a CIH Tigermate II and it's alot better machine in my opinion. |
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Leesport, PA | What do you like better about the Tigermate II than the 980s? That was another option on our list of considerations depending on what they might cost in comparison.
Ryan |
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Leesport, PA | What is "single point" depth control? I have seen it referred to in a few ads and wasn't for sure what the difference was.
Thanks for the other information-it is very useful.
Ryan |
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Montevideo, MN | I think our 2210 is the best I can get. With the four bar harrow I get a seedbed that I really like. I don't run the field cult, I do the planting and am a pain for the field cult guy. If it isn't a great seedbed I complain. I didn't do much last spring. We had a 48.5' quad 5 wilrich and went to a 48.5' 2210 and should have done is sooner. |
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West Central IL | Although it takes longer to set the Tigermate has walking tandems on every section that each have individual depth control and trash flows through it better than a 980 in my opinion.Mine is a 42.5 ft and my STX325 325hp pulls it with ease.
Edited by kmk 12/13/2006 09:47
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Shelby, MT | I am with Ed go with a Flexi-Coil 820...you will not regret it..probably the best chisel plow ever built...years down the road when the JD shanks wobble down the road,,you will wish you had the Flexi-Coil.. |
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Leesport, PA | Hmmm...So is your definition of a chisel plow the same as a field cultivator to me? In my vocabulary a chisel plow was always a machine for doing heavier tillage. How common are the Flex-Coils? Don't see any of their equipment in my area of Iowa.
Thanks,
Ryan |
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Leesport, PA | Did you just have leveling issues with the Wilrich? We have always ran an older Wilrich and had thought about a Quad 5 if one could be found for the right price. Just looking for the good, the bad, and the ugly.
Thanks,
Ryan |
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Montevideo, MN | The 7" shank spacing with the wilrich seemed to leave it rougher than the deere 2210 with 6" does. The wilrich had a 3 bar harrow and the 2210 has a 4 bar. We pull a coil packer behind the fld cult also that makes it even nicer for a perfect seedbed. This past spring we were wet and had to pull the pin on the coil packer in some situations. I was still very happy with the seedbed wheras in the past with those same circumstances I did not like the seedbed with the wilrich. At the end of the day, I am very fussy about my seedbed and I was extremely happy with what I had this past year compared to the last 7 years. I have never planted into such an awesome seedbed, even when the wilrich was brand new. It was as close to perfect as it could get. The planter units barely wiggled at 5.5 mph. Pulling the field cult with a coil packer definitely takes some power, 9520 deere at 450hp was only at about 6mph. When we unhooked the coil packer he could run 7.5 all day long no problem. Get the accudepth control. You will like that too. The cost is the same as single point depth control but you can set each section of the fld cult from the cab individually.
Edited by lucky1 12/13/2006 15:47
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Agent Orange: Friendly fire that keeps on burning. | Here are a couple pics of an 820. I have the heavy shanks with 16" sweeps on 12" spacing on mine. Can get lighter ones on 9" spacing on the same frame. Such implements are also called tool-bars, duckfoot cultivaters, cultivaters, chisel plows, and some even call them Grahams in this part of the country.
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| You adjust the depth for the entire implement by making an adjustment on the front of the machine. |
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Elmira, Ontario | Single Point Depth Control is basically an adjustable shutoff valve that cuts off the oil flow to the lift cylinders once the cultivator has dropped down to the desired depth. It's great for making quick adjustments across the width of the machine. Individual wheel modules can be adjusted, but require time and tools.
The Accudepth computer system allows the depth to be adjusted within the cab, plus it allows each wheel assembly to be adjusted from the cab.
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Brazilton KS | And don't forget the Canadian: "Deep Tillage" or "Deep Tillage Cultivator"
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Needed: Education on John Deere Field Cultivators
