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| We run 2 class 7 green machines. Dad likes the power top on the newer combine and wants to trade in the 9770 for something with it. Local Agco dealer wants us to demo a class 8 Fendt. They have the autodock option for the head's too. I heard issues about plugging, and turning radius. Have these been addressed? Any thoughts on what to look for during a demo in beans? Any other thoughts and experiences on the Fendt machines? Where we farm half the job is moving machinery. They will be bringing it with a 40 ft Fendt draper as well. |
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central pa. | I know nothing about a Fendt combine. Just keep in mind it will not hold as much value as ur Deere machines at trade in time. If u run it a long time this will not mean anything to you. |
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North Central Iowa | Look up Mike Mitchell on YouTube.
They went from 10 Deere machines to 10 Fendt machines.
Now back to Deere.
He is very honest on reports of equipment.
His one complaint was they never had a day with all 10 machines running without a mechanic there fixing one of them.
They did burn one of them.
They did have plugging problems with them in one crop. |
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ecmn | Demo a fendt next to deere the fendt easily had a better sample and less loss.
Fendt has much better warranty, lot of little things that you need to look at the fine print before comparing price.
A lot of improvements on the 22 model versus the previous models
If it has the intelligent Harvest system on it where you can use an iPad to see what is happening it makes dialing in the combine pretty quick once you understand how the system is working.
They're actually a pretty nice combine, in the state of Minnesota I would buy one before red or green no questions asked just because of Ziegler support.
The cost structure is different because if I remember right they had designed them for a 3-year program versus a rollover every year. The machine we had ended the year at around $300 hours had very little down time very few issues |
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Shelburne Ontario Canada | At this point if u get a fendt dont evens think about tradin in ur 9770. U will need a back up. Just crazy wat the horrs u hear so far. Theres one at deere dealer here locally as well. 1 yr old. Just go to x9. All i have heard is good from them theres crazy amount of them around already here locally as well. X9 or claas is there trend here. |
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The Internet | Get one on demo, and some other competitive machines, try them on your farm in your conditions, then make your own mind up.
Resale is a largely self fulfilling prophecy, so be careful about using that as a stick to beat it with. It's not like Agco, or Claas or CNH are going anywhere any time soon.
If you end up back with Deere you'll at least know what else is out there without relying on internet rumour and it will also keep The Mothership and your dealer honest
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ecmn | If I remember right the number seven ideal combine was a single rotor and was also a price point machine for the Gleaner customers I would talk to your dealer more about that kind of information |
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Central ND | The Pretender - 10/1/2022 15:16
Get one on demo, and some other competitive machines, try them on your farm in your conditions, then make your own mind up.
Resale is a largely self fulfilling prophecy, so be careful about using that as a stick to beat it with. It's not like Agco, or Claas or CNH are going anywhere any time soon.
If you end up back with Deere you'll at least know what else is out there without relying on internet rumour and it will also keep The Mothership and your dealer honest
Maybe wherever you are but if you think there is no difference in resale here you need to give your head a shake....... |
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SW N.D. | Have you heard anything about a safety switch going bad on the x9’s? Supposedly there are a bunch in western Canada sitting because Deere doesn’t have replacement switches yet and they don’t have a way to bypass it.
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Nw Iowa | There has been one sitting for 4 days in our neighborhood needing some kind of work
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ecmn | There is a learning curve to them to get a good sample. Like my old John Deere's or my newer lexion yeah set the bottom sieve and adjust the chaff for a little bit to clean up the sample go from field to field crop to crop and hardly move it at all. The fence is very sensitive to any adjustment on the chair or the sieve and you can watch on the tablet is all the grain dropping at the front and very little at the end or is it a lot of grain dropping at the end and very little up front or anything in between and then you can adjust from there. On the tablet you can also see on your thrashing and separating where the grain is falling so if the grain is falling at the end of thrashing then you know you need to be a little more aggressive same thing on separating if it's way up at the other end then you need to look at what's causing that is it too much crop material coming in so you got to slow your ground speed down a little bit is your rotor spending too fast and causing an auger effect to take the separating or is it spinning too slow and just creating a map of material. |
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Near-north Ontario, French River | I watch Mitchells youtube channel.. really not sure what was going on with the plugging issues.. i mean running a 50ft head in 2bu wheat shouldnt plug even the smallest combine.. so why his fendts were plugging I have no idea. He was impressed with the capacity and sample from the fendts but obviously disappointed in the reliable. I will they they run hard,, not necessarily hard on the machines but they put more acres through a combine in a summer than many guys would in 5 yrs.. I do notice hes having issues with his JD's this year.. seat sensors, shearing bolts on the draper heads.. so nothing is perfect. |
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SC Kansas | Fendt does come out and do all the maintenance on these right?
They do on our tractor.
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| I believe the "plugging" issues were the area above the straw chopper, not dropping in to the chopper. Only in the one type of crop. |
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MT-ND | A question:
Why would a Gleaner person chose an agco single axial rotor over anyone else? I mean what makes them special compared to the original Axial Flow and its clones? |
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Midwest | Ran CaseIH and Claas and Deere. Finally just stuck with the Deere for several reasons. You don’t necessarily have to trade heads when trading the base machine. Claas is the most forgiving machine to set but the most expensive for parts. Besides Germans tend to overthink everything including combines. My last caseIH was a lemon, enough said about that. Deere does have better resale value and has good dealer support and does a good enough job.
Not quite as forgiving as the Claas but still does a good job |
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ECIL | Anytime a mfg creates a brand new machine, there will be issues. Anybody remember the CIH 8010? The Ideal is not a perfect machine, neither is the X9. A youtuber like Mitchell makes money off of drama. The Ideal is the only machine with a 3 yr standard full warranty which includes your annual maintenance and inspection . The combine you buy is only as good as the dealer you buy it from, buy from the dealer that takes care of you! |
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Southern Ontario | The fellow that bought Mitchell's Fendt is VERY happy with it after he made a small adjustment to the feeder house, so I've read in his comments
on the combine forum. In the end a combine is a tool and may perform better in certain circumstances than others. |
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SC WI | Probably more along the lines of cost of ownership. Repairs, fuel, downtime, depreciation, production, all need to be penciled. $50k difference in resale could be made up in fuel savings…. As an example. |
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Southern Missouri | If someone needs a seat to operate their x9 they can have the one that came in mine, was very sensitive to someone that doesn’t weigh much ( like my wife) or someone that likes to lean over and look at ground behind head a lot (me) we complained and they brought me an updated one and completely solved the issue, but they still have the old bottom cushion if someone needs it |
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NE Neb | I'm sitting in my Massey combine waiting for a pivot to get out of the way so I can combine. I just heard a radio advertisement from the fendt dealer that's closet to me. No mention of fendt ideals they are supposed to be selling, but they just spent 1 minute telling me to come buy a gleaner. Agco never pushed a Massey or helped thier dealers push them. I hope you have a good dealer and I hope that dealer is in good with agco or you might be sitting in a discontinued combine like I am soon. |
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Ontario Canada | BShauler - 10/1/2022 14:24
Look up Mike Mitchell on YouTube.
They went from 10 Deere machines to 10 Fendt machines.
Now back to Deere.
He is very honest on reports of equipment.
His one complaint was they never had a day with all 10 machines running without a mechanic there fixing one of them.
They did burn one of them.
They did have plugging problems with them in one crop.
I agree, Mike is very honest, unbiased. |
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| We run a Claas and there's no way I would want a Fendt.
They're nice, but after seeing one up close and personal, there were design aspects I feel the Claas was better with.
I have heard through our local Claas dealer (that also sells Fendt) that they've a real hard sell to the Claas guys, because Claas owners don't see the Fendt as an upgrade.
I completely agree after crawling over one.
You're honestly better off with either Green or if you feel like a different color, maybe try a Claas, but resale is a killer on the Claas and they are unique enough you have to be willing to go through a learning curve. |
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Southeast Washington | Thud - 10/1/2022 02:52
I watch Mitchells youtube channel.. really not sure what was going on with the plugging issues.. i mean running a 50ft head in 2bu wheat shouldnt plug even the smallest combine.. so why his fendts were plugging I have no idea. He was impressed with the capacity and sample from the fendts but obviously disappointed in the reliable. I will they they run hard,, not necessarily hard on the machines but they put more acres through a combine in a summer than many guys would in 5 yrs.. I do notice hes having issues with his JD's this year.. seat sensors, shearing bolts on the draper heads.. so nothing is perfect.
Maybe he puts on a lot of acres he is lacking in crop. Crop has a lot more wear than acres. At 10 bpa he would be having to put 12,000 acres through the combine to equal a farmer with 1,000 acres at 120 bpa. The higher the bushels the higher the wear inside the combine. At 2 bpa he had last year then he would have to run 60,000 acres through the combine to cut the same bushels. That is hard to justify new equipment at those volumes.
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Southeast Washington | BShauler - 10/1/2022 00:24
Look up Mike Mitchell on YouTube.
They went from 10 Deere machines to 10 Fendt machines.
Now back to Deere.
He is very honest on reports of equipment.
His one complaint was they never had a day with all 10 machines running without a mechanic there fixing one of them.
They did burn one of them.
They did have plugging problems with them in one crop.
I've watched his YouTube channel and only ever saw 5 Fendts and that is all he ever talked about. He added a couple Deeres last year. |
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MN | I can’t watch Mike M, his personality just doesn’t jive with me and I don’t trust him to be more than a YouTube personality in his videos. This tells me more than Mikes videos.
https://www.thecombineforum.com/threads/ideal-9-chopper-plugging-fix...
Good friend bought one last year. He’s been nothing but happy with it.
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Central ND | I enjoy watching him, he has no reason to sugar coat anything and tells it how it is imo, so many of these auger guys run the same color year after year and keep bragging it up.....wonder why? |
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Shelburne Ontario Canada | They plug in ontario as well. |
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North Liberty and South Bend, Indiana | I disagree that a combine is only as good as the dealer. Very much disagree. |
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Higginsville, MO | Buy a Gleaner. When its time for wear parts and servicing you'll be alot happier than any other brand. They are just trying to push this Fendt crap down peoples throats. AGCO barely wants to recognize Gleaner but yet its turning 100. |
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MN | E.Daehler - 10/1/2022 21:46
Buy a Gleaner. When its time for wear parts and servicing you'll be alot happier than any other brand. They are just trying to push this Fendt crap down peoples throats. AGCO barely wants to recognize Gleaner but yet its turning 100.
I love gleaned combines every since the first time running one and would agree completely with your first sentence. But the rest… when I go to the main AGCO page on FB there are 3 gleaner posts to 1 IDEAL. 100th anniversary post and all. Not to mention there’s also a dedicated Gleaner page. Visited the booth at FPS, same numbed of gleaner combines as IDEAL on the lot from what I recall. |
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NE SD | Glenn W. - 10/1/2022 19:39
BShauler - 10/1/2022 00:24
Look up Mike Mitchell on YouTube.
They went from 10 Deere machines to 10 Fendt machines.
Now back to Deere.
He is very honest on reports of equipment.
His one complaint was they never had a day with all 10 machines running without a mechanic there fixing one of them.
They did burn one of them.
They did have plugging problems with them in one crop.
I've watched his YouTube channel and only ever saw 5 Fendts and that is all he ever talked about. He added a couple Deeres last year.
I think they had 6....and the dealership had to have 3 loaners just to keep them machines. |
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Columbia Basin, Ephrata, WA | Fingers77 - 10/1/2022 17:32
We run a Claas and there's no way I would want a Fendt.
They're nice, but after seeing one up close and personal, there were design aspects I feel the Claas was better with.
I have heard through our local Claas dealer (that also sells Fendt) that they've a real hard sell to the Claas guys, because Claas owners don't see the Fendt as an upgrade.
I completely agree after crawling over one.
You're honestly better off with either Green or if you feel like a different color, maybe try a Claas, but resale is a killer on the Claas and they are unique enough you have to be willing to go through a learning curve.
Whoever has a late model green and white Claas and wants to upgrade but their trade-in or resale value is lousy, maybe shoot me a message. Poor resale is a great thing for the second owner…
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The Internet | jd4930 - 10/1/2022 21:25 The Pretender - 10/1/2022 15:16 Get one on demo, and some other competitive machines, try them on your farm in your conditions, then make your own mind up. Resale is a largely self fulfilling prophecy, so be careful about using that as a stick to beat it with. It's not like Agco, or Claas or CNH are going anywhere any time soon. If you end up back with Deere you'll at least know what else is out there without relying on internet rumour and it will also keep The Mothership and your dealer honest Maybe wherever you are but if you think there is no difference in resale here you need to give your head a shake....... Again, resale is a self-fulfilling prophecy. They have good resale because people buy them for the good resale. Resale is but a factor. Are you telling me that you buy a key, and very expensive, piece of equipment based on what someone else might be prepared to pay for it at some point in the future? |
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The Internet | Kochia - 10/1/2022 23:27 A question: Why would a Gleaner person chose an agco single axial rotor over anyone else? I mean what makes them special compared to the original Axial Flow and its clones? In 1999, why would a person buy an STS when the Axial Flow had been in production for over 20 years, if they wanted a single rotor? |
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ecmn | Chad H - 10/2/2022 00:06
Glenn W. - 10/1/2022 19:39
BShauler - 10/1/2022 00:24
I think they had 6....and the dealership had to have 3 loaners just to keep them machines.
By contract they have to inventory one unit for every several units sold that way they can guarantee The Loner program. |
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ecmn | Mike Mitchell is one customer, doesn't matter the color would you base a decision based of one person?
If you have a Class combine no way are you moving to a fendt. |
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The Internet | E.Daehler - 10/2/2022 03:46 Buy a Gleaner. When its time for wear parts and servicing you'll be alot happier than any other brand. They are just trying to push this Fendt crap down peoples throats. AGCO barely wants to recognize Gleaner but yet its turning 100. Fendt and Gleaner are owned by the same parent company. At some point, the Gleaner combines would have to have a major revamp, they're not seen much outside of North America and have zero presence in Europe, so would need to appeal to a wider audience than the current models. So, announced with great fan fair, the new Gleaner Ideal 10. It's exactly the same as the Fendt/Massey combine is, just galvanised. Would you buy it? |
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Southern Ontario | JRM - 10/1/2022 21:02
I can’t watch Mike M, his personality just doesn’t jive with me and I don’t trust him to be more than a YouTube personality in his videos. This tells me more than Mikes videos.
https://www.thecombineforum.com/threads/ideal-9-chopper-plugging-fix-no-more-wet-straw-problems-goods-and-bads-on-ideal-9.346610/
Good friend bought one last year. He’s been nothing but happy with it.
Exactly what I was referring to in my previous post!
Nothing against Mitchell, but I agree he's a U-Tuber with a lot of acres and many of his videos are really nothing more than fillers.
I still watch him though, but only IF the subject is real & interesting. |
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Southern Ontario | Excalibur - 10/1/2022 19:15
Probably more along the lines of cost of ownership. Repairs, fuel, downtime, depreciation, production, all need to be penciled. $50k difference in resale could be made up in fuel savings…. As an example.
Absolutely!
This higher resale is exactly as the Pretender said, only a perceived value, when something better comes along this perceived value will disappear into the realm of reality.
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Dalton, OH | Sadly, at the Farm Science Review, not a Gleaner in sight anywhere on the show grounds! |
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northeastern Ohio | I don't have direct experience with the Ideal, but our local dealer sold one two years ago. It lives in the dealer shop most of the year. When it is in the field, the service tech is there almost every day it seems.
Last time I was at the dealer after wheat harvest, the Ideal was back at the shop. The tech said that the farmer doesn't want it back. Nicknames for the Ideal: "Bad Deal" and "Job Security for the Agco Tech".
When it is running, they say it can't be matched. I asked the tech if I should trade my Gleaner S96 for an Ideal. He asked me if I liked sitting in the middle of a field waiting on him.......
He said they have fixed most of the issues now, so new ones should be better.... |
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NE SD | easymoney - 10/2/2022 07:10
Chad H - 10/2/2022 00:06
Glenn W. - 10/1/2022 19:39
BShauler - 10/1/2022 00:24
I think they had 6....and the dealership had to have 3 loaners just to keep them machines.
By contract they have to inventory one unit for every several units sold that way they can guarantee The Loner program.
And a lot of the time he had all 3 loaners.... |
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Near-north Ontario, French River | sounds like the Fendts are repeating the mistakes of the N series Gleaners... brought to market before the bugs were worked out, and we all know how that worked out for the N series. |
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Fendt Ideal combine vs. Deere?
