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| Is there such an implement, if so, are they still manufactured? I want to bale square bales with draft horses. Thanks! |
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| lot of asmish run them. just need power cart. |
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| Would you know where I could buy one? |
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N.C. Oregon | Get a baler with a motor. Be aware that when the baler is running without moving foward you are going to hammer their necks. You can use a forecart or extend the tongue of the baler. Most use a forecart. |
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| Summer before last at a draft horse gathering near Sebeka MN I saw a couple ways to do that. One was a WD Allis with no engine, and shortened. The horses pulled that, and with the transmission in gear their forward motion turned the PTO shaft. I didn't see it in operation. The other scheme at that show was the standard horsepower with the horses going in a circle with a tumbling rod running the parked baler. There it was catching straw from a threshing machine (run by a vintage tractor).
That was Sunday of the weekend of the power show at Lake Itasca.
Gerald J. |
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| Thanks for the info, who manufactures a baler with a motor? |
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Chilliwack BC | If you can get an issue of the Draft Horse Journal, they have adds for all sorts of stuff like this. |
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| Most every baler used to be available with that option. Typically it was a 2 or 4 cylinder engine, if 4 often a Wisconsin V-4 belted to the flywheel. Usually three or four V belts. No grooves on the flywheel. JD two cylinder engines were from the 320 or 420 tractors, I think. A small car engine, like a flat VW or VW Rabbit 4 cylinder inline would work, I think. Even diesel. Probably needs less that 20 hp, Northern tool has a selection of horizontal shaft engines as does Burden's Surplus Center at Lincoln, both gas an diesel.
Gerald J. |
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N.C. Oregon | Hate to try & back that.
I always wanted to bale with my horses but the 14T needed too much futzing to ask 4 horses to stand & not try to eat.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vE-_i6aDc4s This was fun. Did it for 4 or 5 yr. Pulled the bundle wagon for yrs before running the binder. |
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| Not eat? You gotta fuel your prime movers somehow. I saw a riding horse in town waiting for a parade doing a number on the city hall lawn. Each bite was a big chunk of bluegrass practically eaten to the roots and probably pulled out by the roots sometimes.
As for backing, you have to plan your work I suppose, and not plan to back or to plug the baler. Likely you wouldn't want to roll several mower conditioner windrows together with just a few horses out front. The sudden loads of a slug might cause muscle damage.
I saw a matched 8 black horse hitch that day pulling a field cultivator (in very dry sandy soil) and the first time the driver dropped the field cultivator into the ground 7 of the horses were stalled instantly. The 8th didn't have the traces tight so hardly noticed, but stopped too. Two ranks of four abreast. One up front was along for the walk, until a helper noticed and twitched about its rump after they lifted the field cultivator shovels a bit. The main driver rode on a dolly with a seat. That wouldn't back well either, but I doubt backing that 8 horse hitch without lots of room would worked well either on any implement or long tongued wagon. Not a chance of backing the field cultivator through a door 1 foot wider than the cultivator!
Gerald J. |
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Grabill, Indiana | The Amish Blacksmiths in our area mount a 20 hp Honda motor on balers to run them. If I get a chance I will shoot a few photos of some for you.
Jim |
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N.C. Oregon | When they were in harness they were on my time. Eating was bad juju & they knew that.
If I had a baler I did not have to baby so much I would have baled. I did mow & rake with 2. My horses only weighed around 1000# each so it would have taken 4 on the baler.
I backed a 2 way JD plow into my trailer with horses configured 4-up. Does that count? |
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Kittitas Co. Wa. State | Engine powered balers are all over the place 'here',, yes they're still made. The old wisconson 4 cylinder's are not popular at all. 90% of the engines are Dutcz diesel engines. |
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Ontario Canada | http://www.masseyferguson.com/agco/MF/NA/HayForage/1800SRB.htm
Edited by WillB 7/3/2009 17:43
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NW Washington | Freeman balers made in Oregon still use auxiliary engines to power them, but they are not cheap. And as mentioned the Amish have been using engine driven pull type balers for many years.
http://www.alliedsystems.com/Freeman/370pt.htm |
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Near Richmond, IN | They're all around us--all the Amish have them. Some are pretty new too. |
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| I just sold a NH 68 to an Amish and he is converting it to ground drive. They already have a JD 14T in the neighborhood. |
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Hagen Brothers farms,Goodrich ND | We had a NH 68 baler with the 2 cyl Wisconsin engine. It worked well in heavy rows, as the tractor could be run in first gear at idle.
I would also be concerned about the balers front to rear surging beating heck out of the horses necks. |
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| look in classified on the farmers exchange an indiana farm paper, usually have motor power equopment lot of amish in area. |
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just a tish NE of central ND | Id reccomend a tractor for the baler...... use the drafts to pull the wagon loaded with bales and to rake the hay.Maybe use them tom cut it also.. |
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| Good buddy of mine mows and round bales with tractor and the rake with two teams of draft mules one team resting and one team raking. they rake just as fast with the mules as they do with the tractor on problem is the mules wear out hence the two teams where as a tractor just needs fuel. they as bale hay with a pto cart and regular farm implements. pto cart is the way they recommend. they also log with the mules and drafts depending on conditions use a forecart. thats how they pull the rake as well with a forecart. |
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SW Saskatchewan | Is probably the hardest job on the farm for horses. The load isn't heavy but for the sickle to move rapidly and for the cutter bar to be "lively" and windrow the hay with the swath board, the horses have to be traveling faster than a comfortable gait.
This was the reason the JD No.5 mower was so popular, even a little one row tractor (or a big wheatland model, if that was all that was available) could amble along at a nice hay sickling speed. And do it for hour after hour without breaking a sweat those horse killing days in July. Mules could take, but they knew when to quit. |
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Horse drawn or gas powered hay baler?
