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Massey1155
Posted 3/9/2018 15:36 (#6631389)
Subject: LSW tires on Challenger



NW Iowa
This is what 1100 rear and 1000 fronts look like. Currently have 10psi in the tires will drop them down to 6-8. If your interested in a set or a tractor with some on, feel free to contact me. Another plus if you don't like them under 3 months they buy them back.
The 1100's tire and rims weighs around 1850lbs

https://www.titan-intl.com/testimonials
http://www.lswadvantage.com/lsw-technology/lsw-tires-vs-tracks/


Square plate per tire according to titan book on LSW tires.
rear 1100's 1011 sq in
front 1000's is 772 sq in

rear 900's are 870 sq in
front 710 are 531 sq in

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thefarmers
Posted 3/9/2018 15:54 (#6631420 - in reply to #6631389)
Subject: RE: LSW tires on Challenger


i think I'd just go ahead and get a 4 wheel drive. We only run 7-8 on our versatile with 20.8 duals.
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MF57
Posted 3/9/2018 16:02 (#6631432 - in reply to #6631389)
Subject: RE: LSW tires on Challenger


east central saskatchewan
looks great, but why 1000 on the front?

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al62
Posted 3/9/2018 16:03 (#6631435 - in reply to #6631389)
Subject: RE: LSW tires on Challenger


Northern WI
It looks sweet! You will like them. I put them on my T8.330 last year and it made a big difference.
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al62
Posted 3/9/2018 16:04 (#6631438 - in reply to #6631432)
Subject: RE: LSW tires on Challenger


Northern WI
It is the package they offer for MFWD tractors.
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Massey1155
Posted 3/9/2018 16:06 (#6631441 - in reply to #6631420)
Subject: RE: LSW tires on Challenger



NW Iowa
I get it's not for everyone. The physical size of tractor I like. It is 11ft wide and 19ft long and 350hp weighing 34,000lbs. It will have less ground psi than the 4 wheel drive and take up less space. Try moving around your yard with a 4 wheel drive.
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thefarmers
Posted 3/9/2018 16:11 (#6631447 - in reply to #6631441)
Subject: RE: LSW tires on Challenger


How does it really compare on flat plate area? Do you have the specs for those tires?
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JChamb
Posted 3/9/2018 16:20 (#6631464 - in reply to #6631389)
Subject: RE: LSW tires on Challenger



Iowa - Floyd County
We got a T8.410 with them last Fall, it was awesome on the fertilizer applicator. It will be on the planter this Spring, hopefully eliminate our pinch rows. Really like them so far. We went with another MFWD for the same reasons as you, size and maneuverability.

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Massey1155
Posted 3/9/2018 16:27 (#6631474 - in reply to #6631447)
Subject: RE: LSW tires on Challenger



NW Iowa
see above I added it
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Allis4ever
Posted 3/9/2018 16:48 (#6631498 - in reply to #6631389)
Subject: RE: LSW tires on Challenger


central iowa
curious with how these steer sitting still vs the front duals??? the same?? easier??? certainly can't be worse can they LOL.


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thefarmers
Posted 3/9/2018 17:04 (#6631525 - in reply to #6631474)
Subject: RE: LSW tires on Challenger


How come the 1100 listed in the specs at 35psi has more area (1011") than the 1100 at 17 psi (972")?

At 972 and 772, and 409 for 20.8-42, the 20.8 duals would be at 6% less flat plate area.

Ya, they do look cool, but I'm still not really convinced that there would be a real world advantage.
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al62
Posted 3/9/2018 17:07 (#6631533 - in reply to #6631498)
Subject: RE: LSW tires on Challenger


Northern WI
They steer really easy siting still or driving. I was amazed at the difference between front duals and LSW tires.
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al62
Posted 3/9/2018 17:11 (#6631543 - in reply to #6631525)
Subject: RE: LSW tires on Challenger


Northern WI
I don't know your location ,but you could test drive mine if you would like to. You won't believe the difference it makes on road lope, traction, and floatation. I did my research before I bought my setup and it beat all my expectations. They are the real deal!
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thefarmers
Posted 3/9/2018 17:27 (#6631563 - in reply to #6631543)
Subject: RE: LSW tires on Challenger


Not in the market for tires at this time, but thanks for the offer.

How is your turning radius? Do they set in closer to the tractor than original, or is all the extra width hang out the outside?

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ge jr
Posted 3/9/2018 18:22 (#6631663 - in reply to #6631533)
Subject: RE: LSW tires on Challenger


algona iowa
We have ran them for 3 1/2 years not going back to duals
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Massey1155
Posted 3/9/2018 18:25 (#6631667 - in reply to #6631525)
Subject: RE: LSW tires on Challenger



NW Iowa
They have some literature sheets out that don't have the correct info on them.

They turn pretty good the stops are about the same for dual fronts.

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al62
Posted 3/9/2018 18:31 (#6631674 - in reply to #6631563)
Subject: RE: LSW tires on Challenger


Northern WI
Turning radius as good or better than the factory front dual setup. My T8.330 was set on 30" centers.
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Since1889
Posted 3/9/2018 19:17 (#6631756 - in reply to #6631389)
Subject: RE: LSW tires on Challenger


S Mn
Has anyone done real detailed cost comparison between these and tracks? I assume this setup is fairly expensive wheel and tire combo just wondering how they stack up and positive and negatives to each. I know in hard pull type conditions a quad for example compared to the same hp wheel machine by the time you get done balasting a wheel machine they aren't very far apart in cost.
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six feet aboveground
Posted 3/9/2018 19:30 (#6631789 - in reply to #6631756)
Subject: RE: LSW tires on Challenger


Some other tractors and grain cart

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al62
Posted 3/9/2018 19:41 (#6631819 - in reply to #6631756)
Subject: RE: LSW tires on Challenger


Northern WI
Van Wall equipment in IA has videos on YouTube with side by side comparisons of tracks and LSW tires. As far as cost, I purchased mine for $11,000 installed after trading in my complete front and rear duals with 2500 hrs on them.



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combine ken
Posted 3/9/2018 20:44 (#6631969 - in reply to #6631389)
Subject: RE: LSW tires on Challenger


southern Alberta
Was unloading tanks at a feedlot yesterday. They had a new JD 8370r with a front end loader with those exact same tires on it. Never seen them before. Said flotation & traction in muddy pens or snow was excellent
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REVBCO
Posted 3/9/2018 20:56 (#6632002 - in reply to #6631389)
Subject: RE: LSW tires on Challenger



IA
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ge jr
Posted 3/9/2018 21:09 (#6632043 - in reply to #6632002)
Subject: RE: LSW tires on Challenger


algona iowa
last price check I got for front wheel assist tractor tires and rims around 17k for set
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1156versatile
Posted 3/9/2018 21:20 (#6632076 - in reply to #6631389)
Subject: RE: LSW tires on Challenger


Strathcona, mn
I’ll let someone else try expensive goodyear/Titan Tire’s first. I’ve seen way too many of their tires fail prematurely to ever contemplate dumping that kind of coin on their “new” product line. When a bunch of other guys have 3000+ hours on them and the sidewalks aren’t cracked part like their other tires then maybe I’d consider them.
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jd8850
Posted 3/9/2018 21:34 (#6632107 - in reply to #6632076)
Subject: RE: LSW tires on Challenger


Roseglen, North Dakota
I hear you, still kind of a Firestone guy myself. But the truth is (our experience anyway) no other company stands behind their product like Titan if they go bad. W/O going into detail they have saved us thousands of dollars on 2 different deals. And like was mentioned, if you don't like the LSW product they take it all back and refund your money. It seems like LSW is the coming thing; haven't heard of anyone dissatisfied
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REVBCO
Posted 3/9/2018 21:41 (#6632133 - in reply to #6631389)
Subject: RE: LSW tires on Challenger



IA
Is there any data on using LSW tires and planting in the the wheel track? We currently run a track tractor on our planter with 700 gallon fast tanks and I wonder how LSW tires with side tanks or the yield 360 over the wheel tanks would compare.

We could possibly eliminate the track tractor if all things were equal.

Any data or real world experience would be appreciated.



B.

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six feet aboveground
Posted 3/9/2018 22:05 (#6632185 - in reply to #6632133)
Subject: RE: LSW tires on Challenger


Test side by side 5 bu better corn over duals

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JChamb
Posted 3/9/2018 22:09 (#6632195 - in reply to #6632133)
Subject: RE: LSW tires on Challenger



Iowa - Floyd County
I can let you know our experience after this Spring. We are on 22” rows and will have 4 rows planting into wheel tracks. We were having serious pinch row problems with the narrow tires, they said this will fix that.
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jrm1504
Posted 3/9/2018 23:32 (#6632300 - in reply to #6631789)
Subject: RE: LSW tires on Challenger


Naches, Wa
So, what about putting these things on an older MFWD? Like the older soundguard Deere's I seem to remember front duals are a no-no because of the way the wheels lean for turning. Would these have the same negative impact?
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svtr
Posted 3/10/2018 07:01 (#6632511 - in reply to #6632076)
Subject: RE: LSW tires on Challenger


Wouldn't recommend anyone running a LSW

The Low sidewall gets rid of Roadloap just like a steel wheel would

What about compaction, The contact patch is wide and very short, It would be like farming with wide steel wheels

Also note it is a Goodyear, Since Titan bought out Goodyear they are nothing but trouble. We replaced many failed
Goodyears in the last few years and every one was fairly new and had over 75% tread

Try a VF tire dualed up



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usafarmer
Posted 3/10/2018 12:28 (#6633045 - in reply to #6631389)
Subject: Following. No text


Newfane NY
Go Deutz
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Boery
Posted 3/11/2018 13:04 (#6635081 - in reply to #6632511)
Subject: RE: LSW tires on Challenger


Hungary
I had those IF ( low pressure ) tyres from Micheline on my JD 8335R and I can tell you that they are worthless .
As soon as we reduced the tyre pressure during high demand job the tyre started to slip on the wheel . To stop the slip we had to go back higher pressure . On this pressure the footprint was the same as the regular tyre so there is no point on high HP tractors for this type of tyres.
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al62
Posted 3/11/2018 13:53 (#6635180 - in reply to #6632511)
Subject: RE: LSW tires on Challenger


Northern WI
Do you have any experience with LSW tires? They are nothing like steel wheels! IF/VF tires are a good option, but so are LSW tires.
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svtr
Posted 3/12/2018 06:31 (#6636581 - in reply to #6635081)
Subject: RE: LSW tires on Challenger


What VF tires from Michelin did you have? We have had 0 problem with rim slip.
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blackfarmer2
Posted 3/12/2018 06:40 (#6636589 - in reply to #6631389)
Subject: RE: LSW tires on Challenger


Do you think this is a fad for trend for tractors to come?
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svtr
Posted 3/12/2018 06:48 (#6636596 - in reply to #6635180)
Subject: RE: LSW tires on Challenger


We never get to drive them, Just replace them.

How can a LSW ride nice, There is no side wall to give.

How can you possibly have any traction, There is only one or two bars on the ground at a time. Where as with a VF you have at least four bars is not seven bars at a time which gives you the track affect. If you had equal width VF it would have to out pull a LSW. Just from a standard tire to a VF there is a big difference in traction as well as flotation.

Again I don't know how they perform but just the way they are trying to make a tire work is against tire physics, and I know they don't hold up!
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Massey1155
Posted 3/12/2018 17:18 (#6637739 - in reply to #6636589)
Subject: RE: LSW tires on Challenger



NW Iowa
Well if you order them they are at least a month to 60 days out
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