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Badger State | Why is USDA (tax payer funded?) graders stamping that stamp?
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western iowa,by Denison | its a option that is paid for by the processor-a lot of times you will read ads that say angus beef or black angus beef-It is not cab- If I remember right the CAB is around 2cts a # to have stamped'
In short Crete the tax payer is not paying for it CAB is a brand that pays for that stamp
usda optional grading
Unlike the mandatory inspection for safety, which is paid through government funding, Beef grading is an option paid for by the processing companies that request the service. The processing companies use the grading information to determine how each beef carcass is best used. Beef is graded for quality and yield. The grade of the beef and yield grade are stamped in several places on the carcass with an edible purple vegetable dye, Since grading is optional , not all beef sold in the United States is graded. Beef that has not been graded is known as "No Roll" because the rolling grading stamp is not applied to the exterior fat as is the case with graded beef.
Less then 2% of all beef produced in the USA gets the prime grade
Prime beef is sold to hotels and upscale restaurants-most of the cattle I produce goes to that market-the packer I sell to gets upset when the cattle I have doesn't fall into that spec. Most supermarkets handle choice or select
I think last week there was a report I read that prime ribeye roll was selling for $26 a #
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western iowa,by Denison | Crete - 1/26/2017 05:47
Why is USDA (tax payer funded?) graders stamping that stamp?
Simple answer, graders are payed by the processor for that stamp!
Your stein prime cab stamp is worth $10 more to your processor-hopefully he is passing that $10 a hundred on to you!
!977-1978 time frame in 4-h I had a 1300# angus -Holstein cross feeder that I showed at the Crawford County fair and came in third place at the carcass division-the next week we all got to go to IBP slaughter line and are carcass were judged-ended up 14th place hanging in the cooler out of 25
I have not had the 80% choice pen of steins everyone toots about and I could never get the gain that everyone gets-I have tried them several times in my freezer and have always been happy with my more finished black or red cattle.
Somewhere along the line they drop the ball on true angus-same as the Hereford program,
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Missouri | Really short on time. It was explained to me that. To a processor, Stein will have 7% less end product per animal. That counts up at the end of the day to a plant. Becomes more important when supplies are plentiful. Then the shape of cuts from a Stein presents additional problem. Thus most strip steaks going to the restaurant chains will be from Stein's, it fits a need at a price that functions. Also learned long time ago a cow calf man should keep his mouth shut about cattle feeding. I violated that. But 50 years ago we grazed Steins on pasture to #1000 then fed the monsters out to 1400-1600#. Had fences like the Berlin wall. Never forget those day's but would like to. Enjoyed the Discussion. |
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n.c.iowa | garvo - 1/26/2017 18:36 Crete - 1/26/2017 05:47 Why is USDA (tax payer funded?) graders stamping that stamp? Simple answer, graders are payed by the processor for that stamp! Your stein prime cab stamp is worth $10 more to your processor-hopefully he is passing that $10 a hundred on to you! !977-1978 time frame in 4-h I had a 1300# angus -Holstein cross feeder that I showed at the Crawford County fair and came in third place at the carcass division-the next week we all got to go to IBP slaughter line and are carcass were judged-ended up 14th place hanging in the cooler out of 25 I have not had the 80% choice pen of steins everyone toots about and I could never get the gain that everyone gets-I have tried them several times in my freezer and have always been happy with my more finished black or red cattle. Somewhere along the line they drop the ball on true angus-same as the Hereford program,
Just goes to prove that some colored feeders can't feed steins.
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n.c.iowa | You're exactly right on all accounts. |
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ND | How do u sell yours Johnny on the grid and get premiums for the prime? |
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n.c.iowa | Yup, been about $.15 over base for prime.
The only problem with feeding for a prime carcass is the that you run the risk of excess yield grade 4's and 5's. Especially if they are fed past a 900 lb carcass. |
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ND | I don't know hardly anything about fat cattle other than a few I had on feed test with the university . Last year the yield grade 4 did not even get docked hardly anything but the guys that had prime carcass sure got a huge premium.
There was a few with over 1050 pound carcass and wow did they dock them big. |
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WCMN | http://www.progressivecattle.com/topics/beef-quality/6795-quality-g...
Below is a little bit I pulled out from the abovesite/link. It is a write up from the retired CAB vice president. Talks about the "holstein affect". Tony
Holstein impact
When we think of cattle feeding, we may forget the fairly high percentage of that mix represented by Holstein steers and heifers.
Traditionally, CattleFax data has suggested Holsteins represent about 15 to 17 percent of the total, but with the significant decline in beef cow numbers and the stable number of dairy cows, Holsteins have grown to nearly 20 percent of the fed mix.
Many do not realize the disparity in quality grade between Holstein fed cattle and the native beef cattle, or wrongly assume the former do not grade well.
NCBA quality audits Data from the industry’s National Beef Quality Audit has shown that Holstein steers and heifers typically have a 15 percentage point higher incidence of prime/choice carcasses than those of their beef contemporaries (Table 4).
That’s why, as Holsteins represent a higher percentage the fed cattle mix today, some of the increase in quality grade must be attributed to the “Holstein effect."
Larry R. Corah
Larry R. Corah
Vice President
Certified Angus Beef (retired)
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western iowa,by Denison | johnny skeptical - 1/26/2017 08:50
We've never had a load of steins than graded less than 90% choice/prime. Usually 30% of them he load will be prime.
Just goes to prove that some colored feeders can't feed steins.
I will admit as a feeder-I can not feed steins-would you share your kill sheets?
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swmn | Our last sheet
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Camp Douglas Wi. 40miles nw of wi. dells | Exdairyguy, how much time lapsed from taking the steers off feed, water and hauled until they were weight live.
Edit - and how far were they hauled before weighing.
Dan
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swmn | Sorted at 3 loaded at 4 shipped to green bay which is about 450 miles weighed sometime after 7 am |
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SWMN | Garvo we see that a lot at our county fair. They ultrasound all of the beef animals for the carcass contest. It is quite common to see the top placing steers in the show at the bottom of the carcass contest. It is hard to feed for a good carcass and win in the show ring. A couple years ago, the neighbors daughter showed a market dairy steer and placed about 1/3 from the bottom and she had the only dairy steer at the fair, I told her the steer did well since it is still a dairy steer and beating out 1/3 of the beef steers is a success. The biggest driving factor in a carcass contest is rib-eye area and dairy steers struggle in that area (I think hers was an 11.9). |
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| Shouldn't the base price be higher that 1.4845 for 1/5/17?
I think we were at 1.8070 in December, and it should have come since then i thought. |
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swmn | These were the inferior breed |
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Central Saskatchewan Canada | My kill sheet from last week.
Yours dressed better than mine. These are all angus fats.
Pic got cut off. But they yielded 59.29. But I think US has different weighing specs
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Camp Douglas Wi. 40miles nw of wi. dells | Thanks - the reason I asked your yield .5928, the best we have yielded is .58xx, we sort a day ahead but keep them on feed and water until the truck comes load, then 150 miles to Green Bay, about 3-4 hours from time loaded until weighed.
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swmn | We usually try and sort them out at 1:00 truck usually comes at 5:00 on Sundays generally, but these were loaded on Wednesday I think, and labor force was kind of thin at noon. We hardly ever dress below 60.5
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| I don't know if that answer is tongue in cheek or not.
I am trying to ask a legitimate question about your sales, they look like the graded great. They seem done right. Do packers have a different pay scale because they are Holstein?
I personally don't care what kinds of animals anyone raises.
Everyone does what works for themselves, and what they have access to. |
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swmn | I guess I forgot the. ;-) at the end of it Holsteins are getting knocked pretty hard on hear the last couple of days by a few people. |
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NS Canada | Yes was told Canadian plants always tend to be high 50s and American pushing low 60s just in the way they measure things and use certain things differently. I can get a better answer from a plant guy next time I talk to him. |
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Central MN | Ours didn't grade out quite as well as your guys' one of the selects was a stag. These were banded calves we bought at 500lbs.
They were loaded 7 in the morning had 350 mile haul to Green Bay killed sometime later that day.
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n.c.iowa | what we usually find is they start discounting if we get over 5% YG 4-5's. |
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NE Nebraska | In Canada they remove the kph and in the USA they don't, that is the cause of the yield difference. |
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If CAB is a private brand/grade/label?
