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northern IL | How fast should it grind a 6x5 bale of stalks, grass hay, or alfalfa hay?
I ground a 1450 lb stalk bale and it took almost 15 minutes. Then a 1300 lb first cut staight alfalfa and it ground for at least 15 minutes and when I quit because nothing was coming out only to find a 400 lb core still in there.
I have a 3" screen in it and I had a 110 hp tractor on it that wasn't even barking .
Is there an adjustment somewhere that I can make it grind faster or is there any secrets to make this grab more hay ?
Hammers look good . |
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MN | 110 hp is going to be slow.
3 inch screen is going to be slow. Put 7-8 inch screens in for hay.
Is the governor working? Should automatically adjust tub speed to keep tractor loaded down.
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northern IL | Tub speed stayed at full rabbit speed on the governor and tractor never was working hard at all . It acted like something was holding the hay up so it wouldn't suck it through.
After a second look at the screen its not a 3" but maybe a 5-6 " |
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Central Saskatchewan Canada | Tub turning the right way? It should bring that tractor to its knees.
400 horse takes 2 minutes to do a bale.
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Central Texas | How fast was tub turning? Sounds like tub not turning fast enough. Can u speed up tub. What happens when u put another bale on top of what is in there. How much wear on the screen? If edges of holes in screen get worn and rounded off can somewhat reduce capacity. If really worn on only one side can remove screen and rotate 180 degrees so sharp side of hole is facing the leading edge of hammers. With 3" screen really doubt screen wear is much of an issue.
Been over 30 years since had a H1000 and seems like could do 20+ ton/hr in dry hay. Had a guy that wanted me to grind some wheat hay that was cut in boot stage. Was cured 10 days with no rain before baling but smelled like silage. Tried a few bales and was like grinding wet rope. |
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northern IL | johndeere1 - 1/27/2016 17:11
Tub turning the right way? It should bring that tractor to its knees.
400 horse takes 2 minutes to do a bale.
The arrows on the tub said I was going the right way , but I did try reversing a couple times. The tub was moving at its fastest speed . I stood by the control because i figured it would kill that tractor if the governor didn't work. |
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Central Saskatchewan Canada | Is the round side down or flat side. We find it works best with the hammers chewing on the round side.
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northern IL | Round side down.
Yous looks like a waterfall coming out mine looks like a fountain ciming off the belt |
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Chilliwack BC | Really stupid thought, but if the geyser plate is mounted on the wrong side of the rotor, I'm fairly certain it will do as you describe... |
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sw mb. | Good point Plow79. A geyser plate can reduce capacity but if it's mounted on the wrong side it will really slow things down. |
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northern IL | This is a new to me grinder so it could be something put on wrong.
Is the gieser plates the arch type steel plates that keep the hay off the floor that the hammers swing up through on both sides? |
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Central Saskatchewan Canada | If you google h1100 you can find the parts and operators manual. This is a page out to it about the gyser plate.
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sw mb. | You are talking about a mill grate. It helps limit intake in tough grinding conditions but will reduce capacity a little too much if other factors are optimum. |
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saskatchewan | You sure you got the bale like Johndeere1 does in his picture?If you have the bale on end in the tub,it will take forever to grind it. |
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northern IL | 2390 - 1/27/2016 19:14
You sure you got the bale like Johndeere1 does in his picture?If you have the bale on end in the tub,it will take forever to grind it.
The bale was dumped in like it was stored In a row not on end.
The hay was course late cut alfalfa that chopped up really fine. Like an inch long.
The stalk bale chopped up longer with some whole cobs coming out . |
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| I think the 1100 has a bigger tub diameter than a 1000 so sometimes a smaller bale will just sit there and not get turned but a 6x5 should be big enough. There is something defiantly wrong here, a 110 hp tractor should be on its knees begging for mercy no matter how dry the hay is, (the dryer the hay is the better it grinds.) |
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sw mb. | It's also not phase of the moon, It's the mill grate. |
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Beresford, SD | Make adjustments on geyser, check slug bars, check tension on main drive belt, finally make sure you dont have a chunk of frozen bale left in the tub from the last it was used (don't ask). Ground the other day with my 4430 since I'm replacing the radiator in the 4630, I'd guesd 4 minutes a bale for alfalfa and 5 for grass. Felt sorry for the 44, she was the little engine that could. Being below zero that day sure helped keep her out of the red. |
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northern IL | Cleaned it out this morning and took pictures
I have 64 hammers with a 4" screen with no geyser plate that I can see and there was a small amount of frozen hay from the last use like carlson said. Thank you for all the help so far. Will the lack of geyser plates slow it up or is it a combination of things that slows it up?
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sw mb. | Nice chatting with you Jake. The Optional screens go as large as 8" if you are looking for a coarser grind. |
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Chilliwack BC | The lack of geyser plate won't slow it down, you just might get a rooster tail of feed in the air if the tub is empty. I'd try pulling the mill grate and see how that goes.
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Central Texas | X2
30+ years ago my H1000 didn't have those bars so not familiar with their use but think they may be part of the problem. Remove them and see how it works.
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sw mb. | "Those bars on the top of the rotor" are called a MILL GRATE. |
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Chilliwack BC | Ours came with a slug buster, how does that differ in operation from a mill grate? |
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Central Saskatchewan Canada | Take out those bars. The hammers dont go past the bars so they are not biting the hay. |
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sw mb. | The formerly optional, now standard mill grate is more restrictive than the slugbuster. The fact that the mill grate reaches all the way across the hammermill means that it can sometimes reduce capacity as the OP found. It helps protect the drivetrain when tough grinding conditions are experienced but it can slow throughput if conditions are ideal. Also Jake's machine is running two 4" screens. He would probably be happier with a 4" & 5" configuration. Edit Hi John Deere 1, when the mill is turning at speed, the hammers extend well past the mill grate. It's not easy to tell by the photos but please trust me on this one.
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northern IL | In your guys opinion if I take the grate out completly and leave the 4" screens in will I now be forcing too much product into a small hole and inversely slug the machine.
Or do I need to put larger screens or use no screens with a 200 horse tractor on the pto with the grate out?
Or do like pacer suggested to me on the phone to cut 2 of the five bars out and try to see where that leaves my capacity at?
Edited by jc1206 1/28/2016 21:21
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sw mb. | Leaving the mill grate in place (even if it has been altered) can help protect the hammermill main shaft from damage if a really heavy bale lands directly on it. It's not common but it does happen. |
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Central Saskatchewan Canada | Trust me that they are not sticking up enough to do any good. It's limiting production pacer. Also your not going to bend a 3 inch shaft with a 1500 lb bale.
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sw mb. | I've walked past the stacks of cylinders being repaired at the plant. You say the shaft can't be bent by a falling bale, the warranty manager disagrees. I agree it sounds unlikely but it does happen. The mill grate is now standard on most grinders. They are restrictive but many hundreds of people are grinding hay with them in place.
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1100 haybuster tub grinder ?
