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KY | I know it's a hot topic and searches yield lots of info, but here's my deal. Looking at getting into a belt baler this spring. I have an extremely heavy 855 New Holland chain machine now. It'll roll trees if I ask it to, just getting worn pretty good and trips out of the tractor to the baler and back are becoming more and more frequent, a grand or a grand and a half would probably fix it as close to new as it would get, but I can't see the sense there. NH chain types are all I have run except for baling 15 acres 2 years ago with a neighbors new Vermeer, I was rolling bales that looked like a sales ad in 5 minutes but I can't justify that kind of money nor do I have it do burn either now. Have never messed with anything but twine. Here's the topic: Personal opinions from users on these three Deere 535 ( Seems like the golden machine for older belt machines, so high on the list.) NH 660/664 series machines Case rbx461 (only because there's one close to me I just happened to notice.) Weren't those actually a Hesston machine??? For now, only about 25% of hay is kept inside, hope to change that soon but let's assume 25% Balance sits out in rows, not sleeved nor tarped. Have never messed with net wrap, worth it, not worth it? Advantage/disadvantage? I would assume the biggest drawback is having to cut it off each roll you feed? I feed in poly hay rings, and move them 30 feet or so each feeding to keep the muck factor down. They don't waste a whole lot, much less with dry hay of course. Talking baling 300-400 rolls a year, maybe 5 if I do a little wheat hay now and again. |
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Shelburne Ontario Canada | I would never ever go back to twine wow mesh is nice . Unless bale was out an got hit with serious freezing rain. |
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| Some of the older hesston balers are a good buy if you have a dealer to support them. |
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mn | We have both a 660 and a 664 NH baler right now. We do a lot of corn stalk custom baling with them. They will eat hay or anything pretty fast once adjusted right. They are very simple balers and can be very easily fixed and rebuilt forever it seems.
Don't have much experience with the Deere but the Case baler you mentioned is almost the same as the New Holland 600 series and share many of the same parts.
You will have to cut the net wrap off but it is MUCH faster when baling. And the bales shed water better.
Edited by jtpfarm 1/18/2016 20:34
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KY | Any real issues with the net starting on your NH's? I know a neighbor got a fairly new Deere last year and had a heck of a time with starting net fairly often. |
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meade co. sw, ks | Can't go wrong with a twine tie 535-566. Started custom hayin with a twine 566, good reliable baler for what you want to do. If you want to go to netwrap try to get into 567 as the wrap works alot better and they are getting really cheap. |
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mn | Nope, at first I did a little but once I adjusted the system according to the book it was all good. The net system on them is extremely simple. 7500 bales and the only time the wrap didn't start was when it was empty.
Edited by jtpfarm 1/18/2016 20:41
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NE KS | I have a real nice 535 for sale in the classifieds. Check it out. couple weeks back |
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s.w n.d. | I still run a 535 with net. no issues starting net. Put in new roll and bale. Don't know how many bales on machine but it is a lot. Makes a nice bale. Just set bale on end to take off net.
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Francis Creek, Wi. | I have run and worked on a number of different brands of belted balers. For myself, I have always preferred Vermeer. Built tough, and easy to maintain. |
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Mosinee Wi | How many pound bale does the 535 make I know its suppose to be 2000#. My neighbor has a 435 witch is 4x6 bale but it is not as tight as my 456 makes I cannot put my fingers in it |
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Eastern Half of Kansas | The case IH baler you mention is a new holland. Rbx is new holland. RS is Hesston built. |
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Amherst WI | 12-1600# in the real world |
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Mosinee Wi | My 4x5 bale made with the 456 weighs 980 on one I ran across a local scale. I was hoping to get a 5x6 but want the weight to be closer to 2000# bale It would cut down on hauling and now I own a skid steer now that can lift it |
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SW Iowa | I had a JD 530 that was built proof, traded up to a 535. Same as the 530 but double twine and netwrap. Netwrap was junk. I know others that had good luck but I'd bale ten and then kick out two with bad wrap. Had it two months and traded for a JD 568. Major upgrade and fast.
That said, the 535 with twine is fairly quick, easy to do your own repairs. Dealer support is one of the important things to factor in. Don't make sense to drive far for parts. |
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South western ont | If set in a row after baling, mesh will freeze to ground. Making it hard to pickup without picking up low and cutting mesh. |
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ok | 567 are getting cheap for a reason. They are junk in my opinion |
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Marion,ks | We have 2 JD 535s one with twine we bought new and a used one with net we bought several years ago to bale some hay to sell. We really prefer the net wrap and have not used the twine baler in2 years. They are a good dependable baler . I kinda figure I will wear out the net baler than put the wrap package on the twine baler probally will never have to buy another baler. They basically have no electronics only weak point they have a lighter pickup than the newer JDs. We use JD netwrap and it works fine but we keep our balers shedded and clean. |
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Texas Panhandle | NH 688 was the best baler I've owned as far as reliability and repairs. Also the netwrap worked well. I don't see why you would go older than that (don't think the savings would pay). Watch the auctions. |
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Amherst WI | I'd upgrade any way. The 535 will take a windrow as fast as you can drive. You'd still have less bales to pick up. |
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Alabama | i still bale 800 bales a year with a jd 535 . that is the one i would get. |
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WY, OK | As for the net if you are putting up 350 a year that is roughly 300 minutes you are saving over sitting there and twine tying. So aside from getting the job done faster you are saving around 5 hours of tractor time. All our balers I have timed between net and twine and it is right around 45sec-1 minute longer to get fully twine tied and dumped compared to about 15 seconds net wrapped and dumped. Of course it will cost you a couple dollars a bale for that luxury. I have no real problems with our 6 series Deere, 1 model newer than the 35 series I believe, and pretty cheap. Net bales shed water a lot better as well. |
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| Case ih rbx 561 with twine here. Does a nice job with hay, but doesn't like making corn stalk bales. |
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Grandfield, Ok. | What are some of the better Hesston balers? |
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West River, SD | mignic - 1/18/2016 21:49
NH 688 was the best baler I've owned as far as reliability and repairs. Also the netwrap worked well. I don't see why you would go older than that (don't think the savings would pay). Watch the auctions.
Yup, another vote for the 688. Some say its the best round baler that New Holland made. Might be hard to find a netwrap setup, Though. The local dealer runs them through the shop and rebuilds them, since there is considerable demand.
Edited by MJD02 1/19/2016 07:05
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| Had a NH664, traded for JD567. Wouldn't take another NH baler if it was free. Had trouble with NH not always starting the bale and twine was even worse. The twine either didn't want to start on one side or didn't get cut off. Adjusting didn't seem to help. Love the JD567 |
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| I am a custom baler and have run Gehl, Vermeer, and Deere balers. Gehl were ok but no longer made. Vermeer were good balers but dealer network is week in this area. I have had 566, 567,568, and now 569 machines. All have been good balers with very little in repairs. In my area John Deere balers are the only machine custom guys will run. A few of the others around but not in the custom market. Might just be dealer support. As far as net v string. I have not loaded string in a baler in over 5 years. String prices have gone up and net price per bale has gone down. Best I can figure is net will cost less than a dollar a bale more than string. String done right takes 45 sec to tie and net takes 6 sec, eject time is the same on both. So net will save you on 300 bales a little over 3 hours baling time but cost you $300 more. For me it no doubt that net pays. On a 200 bale day in 25 bale per hour hay it cost me an extra $200 but saves me 2 hours. I bale an extra 50 rolls in those 2 hours for an additional $750. It gets even better in good heavy hay. A roll of Deere net will wrap 200 5.5 ft bales before reloading. The baler carries an extra roll and takes 10 min to change. You can carry a years worth of wrap with you the first day of the season. String bundle will wrap about 50 bales and baler carries 3 bundles or enough for 150 bales. I would not have a baler without net but for $5000 net option it will be hard to pay for in time alone doing 300 bales a year. With that being said net will keep hay better and if you sell any it will bring more money just because it looks better. Now for the bad, I hate cutting net off the bales in the winter. It is hard to cut, hay falls off bottom of bale when cut and where to put all the net you cut off without putting in the cab. If I were in your shoes I would skip to at least a 567 for the better net system and I would bale the ones going in the barn with string for ease of feeding and bale the ones stored outside with net for weather protection. |
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| Got a 567 with 8000 bales on it. No problems with it. |
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| If you get a 535, look for a later model. Early had yellow pickup, later was green. I ran both, and the later pickup was different, lower profile, i think, fed better. Also had better net wrap system. Run a 567 now, nice baler. |
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NW Iowa | We ran a 530 for several years then traded for a 568. Net wrap is nice as long as it isn't frozen to the bale. That's my biggest gripe with it. Twine does the same tho or gets wrapped up in a layer of hay. Pick your poison I guess. We had good luck with the 530. My vote goes for a 535 with net. That way you can choose net or twine. We actually pulled the twine boxes out of our 568...I don't think it has ever used twine in 14k bales... |
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Used round balers again...
