All of us on here are from many different states and areas but we all have to know when to plant and when the fall frost will come. Fall frost finishes a crop no matter when you plant it or where you are from. Lets talk frost dates. Here in Minnesota a long tall state the south part plants early and freezes later go north plant late frezzes early. Yes here you can plant beans in july and they grow nice but when it frezzes in sept you have little green peas. And we are in the middle of the state. I don't like pp either but sometimes you have no choice.With inputs so high its hard to take a chance. If we could plant bin run beans like dad did years you would not be out that much