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dsfarms
Posted 5/19/2012 21:38 (#2389231)
Subject: Kinze Bean Meter Help



This is the second spring on a set of 8 kinze bean meters that I have in a JD 7000 planter, they worked perfect last year but this year we are having trouble with over population. For storage last year the wing nuts were loosened but the plates not entirely removed. I know the plates are supposed to be removed but with a lot of other stuff going on that got missed. So we switched over to beans from corn today and tightened up the wing nuts and it is now over planting on 3 of the 8 rows. We tried loosening the wing nuts and the pop is still off. I have searched for help here on agtalk and I know they need talc or graphite and the wing nuts shouldn't be overtightened, but I can't find any reason of why they could be overplanting. Would leaving the disk in place with loose wing nuts during storage cause new meters to go bad and overplant? If anyone has any other advice I would really appreciate it, Thanks in advance.
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lynn
Posted 5/19/2012 21:45 (#2389247 - in reply to #2389231)
Subject: Re: Kinze Bean Meter Help


NE IA		Are all of the meters set for the same seed size. A B C Or check the internal brush. Guessing the meters are not set in the right A B or C seetting
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John e.c.MI
Posted 5/19/2012 22:51 (#2389385 - in reply to #2389247)
Subject: Re: Kinze Bean Meter Help



Croswell, Michigan		You are thinking of the JD radial bean meters, the Kinze meters don't have the ABC adjustment.
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midwest
Posted 5/19/2012 21:48 (#2389253 - in reply to #2389231)
Subject: Re: Kinze Bean Meter Help



Use graphite only. No talc.
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PTO
Posted 5/19/2012 21:57 (#2389273 - in reply to #2389231)
Subject: RE: Kinze Bean Meter Help


Northeast Misery		If you're sure it was working last year, I'd put new brushes in. Leaving the plates in may have ruined your old brushes?
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Silver Shoes
Posted 5/19/2012 22:05 (#2389291 - in reply to #2389231)
Subject: RE: Kinze Bean Meter Help


Seneca Kansas 66538		I will note a few points that you might check on the kinze brush meters.

I would take meters apart that you are having problems with as well as a few with no problems and compare these points. Remove the bean disc first, then remove the brush holder, then remove brush, proceed to remove the wear band. Check for material build up under the wear band. The meters tend to get build up under the wear band causing metering issues. But it might be the ones you think are good are just under planting because of this material that gets built up. Usually the disc will plant less with wear I believe. Check the discs as well for wear, the pockets will have lots of wear on the edges when they are wore excessively. I have always found the kinze meters to be about as trouble free as you can get. I used the graphite talc mix from Great Plains on everything, even my White planter. A tablespoon per box seems to work great.
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ChrisTN
Posted 5/19/2012 22:05 (#2389294 - in reply to #2389231)
Subject: Re: Kinze Bean Meter Help



Ethridge, TN		Take a meter that is on a row that is over planting, and remove the seed disc. 1) Make sure there isn't a bunch of seed treatment built up on the disc. 2) Take a good look at the brushes, and see if they have a deformed spot, or even possibly beans stuck in the brush. Might be able to work the brush by hand, to stand the bristles back up correct.
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lawfarms
Posted 5/19/2012 22:11 (#2389312 - in reply to #2389231)
Subject: RE: Kinze Bean Meter Help



King City, Mo		My dad added the radial bean meters to our john deere 7240 from john deere when they came out. I haven't took them apart ever, dad put brushes or that little sproket thing in them one time. We have never losed the wing nuts only when chaning for seed size.

Have you looked at the beans? I noticed some one pallet of my beans that the beans varried greatly in size. Some were probally 3500 seeds per lb and some were 2500 seeds per lb (just guessing i didn't take the time to count them) but noticed that boxes were empty before others ect. Started looking at the seed and ya.

I seem to get about 60-80 acres per deal of john deere graphite. I dunno if that's too much but i'm not having any problems.
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frank ks
Posted 5/19/2012 23:07 (#2389432 - in reply to #2389231)
Subject: RE: Yes...


edgerton ks.		Had the same thing happen last week. Replace your brushes. Worked for me. Yes I stored my meters with plates on. Yes I know better, but anyway new brushes will fix your problem.
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gumbofmr
Posted 5/20/2012 06:52 (#2389660 - in reply to #2389231)
Subject: Re: Kinze Bean Meter Help


Chillicothe, MO		Replace the blue brush only. You will be impressed .
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mafrif
Posted 5/20/2012 07:55 (#2389706 - in reply to #2389231)
Subject: Re: Kinze Bean Meter Help



NC Iowa		gumbofmr is right, replace the upper blue brush and you will be much better off.

Storing the plates with the wingnuts loose didn't damage them, the plates aren't tight against anything.

Never use compressed air to clean out a meter, it will instantly ruin the blue brush.
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dsfarms
Posted 5/20/2012 08:48 (#2389782 - in reply to #2389706)
Subject: Re: Kinze Bean Meter Help



Thanks for all the help! If storing the meters with wingnuts loose didn't harm the brushes what did then, the meters were new last year and we put maybe 150 acres on them?
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pat-michigan
Posted 5/20/2012 08:48 (#2389781 - in reply to #2389231)
Subject: RE: Kinze Bean Meter Help


Thumb of Michigan		We liked the brush meters a lot- except that there was some maintenance. I may have been too anal about it,but we went by the book when it came to cleaning and storage. Overplanting more times than not was because the brushes got gunked up with treatment or had split beans stuck in them. I'd do a good clean up of the meter per the book, and then look the brushes and other parts over. Normally, with good care, the parts and brushes will last a long time.
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dsfarms
Posted 5/20/2012 08:58 (#2389801 - in reply to #2389781)
Subject: RE: Kinze Bean Meter Help



Ok, thank you guys so much for the help, I will give them a thorough examination/cleaning today and post back results, again thanks this site and it's contributors are awesome!
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cainfarmer
Posted 5/20/2012 10:37 (#2389964 - in reply to #2389801)
Subject: Re: Kinze Bean Meter Help



SE Nebraska		Always take the plates completely off when done and clean brush out. The plates deformed the brush and the brush is too wide now causing th overpopulation. I learned the hard way also.
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KINZEMFG
Posted 5/21/2012 07:33 (#2391317 - in reply to #2389231)
Subject: Re: Kinze Bean Meter Help


Williamsburg, Iowa		I work for KINZE and it seems that you have received the correct advice in many of the previous postings. I would recommend replacing the upper blue colored brushes to correct the population concerns. Use graphite with every hopper fill, and remove the plates completely when you are done. Brush meters should be stored with the discs removed to prevent the brushes from being deformed. This will give you better service life from your parts. Leave me your contact information if you have any more questions. Thank you.

Edited by KINZEMFG 5/21/2012 07:35
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