Very true, there are lots of good breeders, but lots that sell fat bulls because they bring more. We found a breeder that has a similar vision to ours, and has been doing it a long, long time, and we buy bulls from them, its easier than raising our own, which we have done, and it also maintains some new blood as things in the cattle industry change. Ive noticed bulls from this breeder have started to get just a little smaller frame on them, which is where we wanted to head as well.