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John Burns
Posted 4/5/2020 10:37 (#8166414 - in reply to #8166075)
Subject: fat to protein ratio



Pittsburg, Kansas

Very good response.

One thing I have changed my mind over time about keto is the importance of protein. Bikman is not the only one saying this and numerous people on a more carnivorous diet are finding high levels of protein do not inhibit weight loss. Protein along with carbs promote a higher insulin spike. But protein with fat does not. In other words the fed state makes a difference whether insulin goes up with meat protein intake. That and the fact that to break down protein takes almost as much energy as it provides. Protein is a poor energy source but an excellent source to build the body functions.

The older we get, the more important it is to not short dietary protein to keep from losing lean body mass.

Wife and I are on a nearly all meat diet now. We might have 10% vegetables (mostly onions, olives, olive oil, that kind of stuff). Although I do not measure it out, I'm certain we are not getting the amount of percentage of fat that many keto proponents recommend. We do eat fatty meat as opposed to lean though. 27% fat hamburger, fatty steaks and roasts, bacon, pork belly, etc. But we don't add a lot of extra fat as in oils like we used to.

I know most of the keto community looks at the fat to protein ratio that fat needs to be a high proportion. Yet there is more evidence emerging that protein is not to be feared. Also a person has to consider where the energy is coming from. Much of the fat burning needs to be coming from the body fat. So lets say that the dietary protein level is higher than the fat level. But add in the body fat that is burning and the bodily use of fat becomes a large portion of the total fat burned. So the body is still seeing a very high fat diet, but a large portion of the fat is coming from body fat tissue instead of from diet.

Another thought is to get the body in fat burning mode, start out on a high fat diet. But as the body becomes fat adapted, drop the fat content of the diet and let the body fat supply most of the fat to be burned. If a person hits a weight loss stall, reducing the dietary fat can be helpful. Fat is pure energy only. Protein can provide energy in a pinch, but is mostly a body building block.

Watch Bikman and see what you think. We are still learning about this stuff.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3fO5aTD6JU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PesM7TTzqlk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCJS2m92KwI

John



Edited by John Burns 4/5/2020 10:42
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