|
|
NW Illinois | Has anyone ever demonstrated a class 8 lexion against a 680 Deere in wet corn? The cat dealer was out and said he would have more capacity and use at least a gallon less fuel per acre. About three years ago they brought out a class 7 and we were at least a half a mile an hour faster with our 680, both on chopping heads. We were running the RPR concaves and doing a slightly better job than the Lexion on grain loss also. If their class 8 would run a mile an hour faster and use a gallon less per acre that would definitely interest us. |
|
| |
|
Swaledale, IA | how much fuel are you using per acre now to save a gallon per acre seems impossibly optimistic to me.
Joe |
|
| |
|
| Lexicon guys like to brag about how much money the fuel savings makes them but it's not anywhere near enough to balance out how much faster they depreciate in value, not that the S series is holding their value very well either. |
|
| |
|
Renville Minnesota | Lexion wide body vs narrow body is the wet corn difference in capacity. I believe the class system doesn't address this area.
And wet corn, is a moving target definition here on a world wide forum.
Before you demonstrate, get a price...... after 17 years in a lexion, claas just hit a price wall with us that is ridiculously .....stupid..... here.
Claas currently cannot see the sun.... I'm hoping they right the ship as they had a great product..... fixed some issue, but cheapend the crap out of some wear parts .... like Auger flighting, and hopper steel thickness.....
|
|
| |
|
ecmn | as an old school deere guy I would push a lexion before driving a new deere. but how are you burning more then a gallon per acre of diesel let alone save a gallon?
why not demo a 780 and be done with it?
I don't like the way a lot of these lexion dealers demo there unit.
no one can dispute that lexion has capacity, quality of grain. so when they take a machine out to demo instead of trying to prove the customer they can do 5k bushel an hour why not go the same bushel per hour as what the customer has but show how you have better quality in the tank and none on the ground behind the machine. then if the customer wants faster show them.
there are a lot more things to a lexion then just capacity that put them ahead of deere.
|
|
| |
|
NW Illinois | We probably burn around 2.25 gallons per acre. |
|
| |
|
ecmn | how are these new efficient combines burning that much fuel per acre? |
|
| |
|
S.E. Washington | I normally don't get into these green vs other discussions. Here it goes, my experience is almost exactly like yours.
Four years ago claas offered a rediculous cheap rental rate on their "equivalent" machine to a Deere 9870. I told them I'm in 30 percent moisture corn with a 12 row chopping head I need the biggest baddest machine you have. That's not what they brought. They brought there second or third from biggest machine and failed miserably. Header wouldn't feed over 2mph without a "feed rake clutch" warning, belts smoking like crazy, slowest unload rate I've ever seen, no differential lock so we almost got stuck, could only see one thing at a time on the "cebis" system. I was very disappointed. Told the guy if I want to go 2mph and smell burning belts all day I'll just run my 8820TII. Not a NAT approved opinion, but it just didn't go well here. In dry corn on my cousins farm it was able to keep up. Certainly not worth a premium. I only tried it because the low rental price was attractive. |
|
| |
|
Flora IL | Because it's all a bunch of bs lol.
Just cleaner bs
Edited by CaseFarmer 1/13/2018 12:10
|
|
| |
|
| hfpdeere - 1/13/2018 10:32
We probably burn around 2.25 gallons per acre.
What model are you running? I think I'm around 1.3 depending on yield and wait time on trucks during the day. Run around 6mph with a 8 row head, 15 acres hour avg. 560R with a C9. |
|
| |
|
Renville Minnesota | 1586 - 1/13/2018 12:34
hfpdeere - 1/13/2018 10:32
We probably burn around 2.25 gallons per acre.
What model are you running? I think I'm around 1.3 depending on yield and wait time on trucks during the day. Run around 6mph with a 8 row head, 15 acres hour avg. 560R with a C9.
Chopping corn head? |
|
| |
|
| easymoney - 1/13/2018 10:27
as an old school deere guy I would push a lexion before driving a new deere. but how are you burning more then a gallon per acre of diesel let alone save a gallon?
why not demo a 780 and be done with it?
I don't like the way a lot of these lexion dealers demo there unit.
no one can dispute that lexion has capacity, quality of grain. so when they take a machine out to demo instead of trying to prove the customer they can do 5k bushel an hour why not go the same bushel per hour as what the customer has but show how you have better quality in the tank and none on the ground behind the machine. then if the customer wants faster show them.
there are a lot more things to a lexion then just capacity that put them ahead of deere.
I'm not saying they are the best machine on earth but the sales guys do push the grain loss point well. Doubt any machine has less loss, second would be an axial flow. We can push ours to the point of power loss and not grain loss. |
|
| |
|
| Newguy - 1/13/2018 11:37
1586 - 1/13/2018 12:34
hfpdeere - 1/13/2018 10:32
We probably burn around 2.25 gallons per acre.
What model are you running? I think I'm around 1.3 depending on yield and wait time on trucks during the day. Run around 6mph with a 8 row head, 15 acres hour avg. 560R with a C9.
Chopping corn head?
No just a plain C508. |
|
| |
|
Renville Minnesota | Chopping heads will add a gallon or so per acre burned. |
|
| |
|
Mt. Pleasant, MI | As the unfortunate owner of a Lexion combine I cannot imagine why anyone would put Lexion in the same class as Deere. |
|
| |
|
Northeast Nebraska | We ran our 750 against a Deere S680. We have Deere everything, except combine. We ran in 17% corn.
The S680 did surprisingly well. While my brother ran the Deere, I was right beside him with my head just behind his. He was at 115% engine load while the Lexion was at 90%. I think this explains some of the fuel efficiency. I would have needed to run the Deere for a full tank of fuel to get an accurate fuel use measurement, that didnt happen, so I cant say. What I can tell you is that in 240 BPA corn with a non chopping Drago, we use 1.25 GPA
There is no doubt in my mind we would have smoked the Deere in 27% corn.
We lease Lexions because of resale value. Our lease on current machine will be up after the 2018 season. We've been watching auctions to purchase one cheap. I can tell you, resale has came up substantially. Claas is gaining alot of traction in NA. Resale values prove it.
After 4 seasons and 3 million bushels through 2 different machines. Our repairs have been $1.50/ac including oil changes/filters, and general maintenance. That includes labor, all work has been performed by local dealer.
I'm not cheerleading Claas here. These are all facts I can back up. I really dont care what color I run. I just want to run the most cost effective machine on my farm.
Edited by dewgubbe 1/13/2018 13:27
|
|
| |
|
NW Iowa | Yes they take horsepower |
|
| |
|
South-central Nebraska | farmerdennis - 1/13/2018 13:13
As the unfortunate owner of a Lexion combine I cannot imagine why anyone would put Lexion in the same class as Deere.
Could you explain the "unfortunate owner" part of your statement? Just curious what you don't like. I'm on my third Lexion after our family having nothing but green. |
|
| |
|
North central IA | We went to a lexion 750 from a 9870. Both 2011 machines. Traded for the lexion even tho the same year it had way less hours. Anyway the fuel consumption versus the Deere was right at half. The Deere would burn 2.5 gal with a 12 row chopping head. The lexion very close to half that. We don't drive really fast tho. There's a lot of things I like better with the Deere. Faster unload, nicer tank for filling then lexions baby grain tank. Etc but it saves way more fuel and a lot more corn than the Deere ever did. Won't go back to green anytime soon. |
|
| |
|
Donnellson, IA. Makes saying here easier. | Part of the being blessed as a used combine owner I don't mind the depreciation on the lexion. We bought our class 7 a draper and 12row head cheaper than we could buy a class 5 with 6 row and regular table in red or green. The fuel consumption on a 12row non chopping with 80-90% engine load is around 1.25 like others mentioned. In better corn it runs out of horsepower before it ever loses capacity. The slow unload I don't care for and a few other little things but compared to an S anything I'd take a lexion. As another mentioned our next will be whatever makes the most sense at the time. Not partial to anything. Just wasn't impressed at all with the S series I've been around. I keep hearing they have a great new one on the books. Lots of great ideas to put into one with all the different designs on the market. The same company that told us for years we were dumb for running a rotor was pretty excited to have us demo a rig with one in it lol. They all will struggle with resale. Not as many bigger operators for the second owner and good prices had guys trading quicker than people use to so we had a pretty flooded market.
Edited by DobsonAG 1/13/2018 19:21
|
|
| |
|
| Power efficiency is a big part to why a Lexion is better on fuel. Ill have to go back and look at my books for the exact numbers, but I believe a belt n pulley is 97% efficient in power transfer. Transmissions were in the low 90% and hydraulic motors where 86-84%. This results in a lot of parasitic loss in the newer Deere, Case, etc over the Lexion.
With that being said. I think most operators are saying that the variable speed header drives aren't heavy enough for some of the chopping heads and that some have converted them over to fixed drives and make out much better. |
|
| |
|
SESD | Holy shat. That's a lot of fuel. I have to be fairly inefficient to burn over 1gpa on lexion 575. |
|
| |
|
SW MN | And if you look at a new one. it's massive, 268hp at the front header drive shaft. |
|
| |
|
Northeast Nebraska | We ran a Claas non chopping 12 row and checked numerous times at 1 GPA.
I think switching to the Drago non chopping took more fuel, because like I mentioned above we are consistently burning 1.25GPA
I also know from being in seat, we can slip the variable speed with the Drago under certain conditions when pushing hard. Never had that problem with the Claas head.
Edited by dewgubbe 1/14/2018 12:18
|
|
| |
|
NCND | The new Deere 700 series has an auto maintain feature for losses that attempts to do same as cemos. Custom guys had one out here this year and the Deere engineers that had been with them all year. The machine maintained under .5 bpa loss in wheat all year. Uses cameras in return and grain tank to change settings in the go automatically.
The lexion guys were out at the same time doing pan tests ect trying to get me to bite. They didn’t have much to say when my 9870 was doing about .4 bpa loss. Always hear how the Deere is throwing out a couple bushel per acre in wheat and that’s their selling point.
I got to run a new 750tt couple years ago. They are nice machines but the selling point on a lexion to me was the cemos stuff but now Deere has it so I’m not as keen about switch at all.
Buddy got a brand new 790 loaded up so I can get a good look at that. The newer 690s with big sieves sure eat a lot of grain and acres. 790 should be same or better.
FYI new 790 fully loaded was about 440k iirc. No 4wd. |
|
| |
|
Donnellson, IA. Makes saying here easier. | It will be interesting to see how they do perform. There will be lots of them sold. Deere always has a good following and market share. Never ran one in wheat so have no comment on performance there with 600 series. Only corn experience with losses. Sieves were the area they struggled with in corn so all those changes should help. I actually would like a green machine around for our soybeans. Lex doesn't care much for fungicide beans. Although still pretty efficient. And we are only 20% beans. All the manufacturers will do more with self adjustment and I like those features as we move forward in multihybrid on our farm. Be a couple seasons before we make a switch. Always excited to see improvements and options. I'll have to wait til some show up local and check them out. |
|
| |
|
NCND | I think Deere’s best crop is beans. Very tough to beat them in that crop.
Lotto time I’d like a lexion for corn and Deere for beans. I’m guessing a lexion is great in wheat too.
They are both good. No doubt about that.
We are a wheat bean rotation here essentially corn makes up Les than 10%
Edited by vailcat 1/14/2018 09:10
|
|
| |
|
Donnellson, IA. Makes saying here easier. | Lol thats what I say. If i found a money tree, one of each. We barely do any wheat but the field is very good loss wise. And we use the straw for bedding and it makes good bales because the material makes it through pretty much whole. |
|
| |
Lexion vs Deere
