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Central Missouri | Had a lengthy discussion with a chemical sales rep yesterday. Kevin Bradley told him that roughly 60% of the off target dicamba movement in Mo this past year was caused by temperature inversions and 40% was caused by drift. 24 out of the 30 days that the spraying occurred had temperature inversions. Just fyi |
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| Does that surprise you. That place is a swamp and if I was a betting man many of the applications happened with HID's on
I've seen paraquat move more than a mile thru corn from a late bean burndown because of an inversion
Starting to think Dicamba is like snow for those in the south. They don't know how to handle either one
How can 100M's of acres of corn and beans and golf courses and pastures and lawns get treated every year with either 24D or Dicamba or some other group 4 herbicide and all of a sudden we forget how to use the stuff.
Guess I better get the disk greased up since apparently I can't use a group 4 in my corn and bean no-till burndown anymore.
Edited by FX1000 12/23/2016 09:00
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Holly Grove Arkansas | You don't spray in the same temps or don't live in an area where crops are planted over 4 months. As for the snow it's not locals who shut down the freeway with wreck. The local know where to say off. It's the out of state hot shots who think they know how to snow who jam everything up. |
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| Are you suggesting that area needs to ban all herbicides?
Movement from inversions and drift are applicator mistakes independent of the herbicide.
A lot of people don't want to admit they have been doing a pretty shotty job of spraying, synthetic auxins do a good job of showing the errors of their way. |
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Holly Grove Arkansas | I don't remember any other herbicide causing anywhere near the drift issues that dicamba did in 2016 and on a very limited number of acres applied. Other than tomatoes and facet, or 2,4-d and cotton, I can't think of any other crop and herbicide with the acute sensitivity of beans and dicambia. These dicamba issues weren't farmer or applicators spraying for the first time. They've been around to block a time or two without creating the disaster that was 2016. We will see what happens in 2017. Maybe everyone can make it work. I hope we can. God know we need every viable option to battle pigweed. If dicamba doesn't do better in 2017 then the EPA need to pull the plug. |
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| Don't let those comments bother you Tim ! Typical northerner know it all ! |
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| These applicators you speak of, did they break the law this year?
Vouching for people that break the application laws with the justification that they know what they are doing is like vouching for a bank robber because he's a really good bank robber.
My point is. Maybe they weren't all that smart. Maybe they weren't as good as you thought. Maybe they are quite marginal in their ability to make decisions about spraying.
And those bad apples are going to take tools away from the good apples.
I was serious when I said grease the disc. I use dicamba on every corn acre already for burndown and 24D on most bean acres for burndown. I could care less about the traits and using it post applied (95% of my beans in 2017 are RR and the few that are dicamba tolerant will be treated like the rest as I am trying a few new numbers to check out yield). I need those tools for no-till to work.
I am sure you know what you are doing, but let's call it like it is. What happened down there was an applicator problem and nothing else. The cowboy spray rigs need to be shut down
Edited by FX1000 12/23/2016 12:14
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Holly Grove Arkansas | spraying burndown is a whole different animal than spraying in the June/July. |
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| Wind probably blows harder in March-May than summer time and inversions can happen everyday of the year.
The difference is the errors of your way show up in June and July because of the vegetative surroundings. A bad applicator is going to do a shotty job in April and July. |
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Itta Bena Mississippi | I bet he could come down here and make a fortune and show all of us.
Tom |
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Holly Grove Arkansas | Isn't it funny how the applicators can do a good job spraying everything but diacamba in June and July? |
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| Not really
Show me a LL bean field that borders a corn field and I can show you torched corn plants from the liberty
Show me a conventional bean field that borders a RR bean field and I can show you stacked node beans from the roundup
Show me a corn field sprayed after a bean field that got valor and I can show you ppo injury on the corn
Show me a bean field sprayed after a corn field that got realmq and I can show you red veins on the underneath side of those beans.
Show me a corn field next to a weedy unplanted notill bean field and I can show you gramaxone injury in the corn when the bean field gets sprayed
Most shotty apps go undetected or unnoticed. Dicamba does a really good job of showing the bad applicators. |
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Tennessee | Lol. I'm pretty sure most of the problems were from desperate farmers applying dicamba illegally on dicamba beans and cotton to control pigweed. The typical southern operation that grows cotton could show most anyone a thing or two about spraying. Good grief.
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NCMO | Well my chemical guy says he talked to Kevin Bradley and most damage was caused by inversion from being sprayed at night and hardly in actual drift my 20-40ft right along the edge if he seen any. I'm not saying who's right it doesn't really matter but there is a lot of different stories and scare tactics going on this year in the seed industry... at least here anyhow. |
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SW Ohio | Of course they broke the law.
There wasnt any registered dicamba chemicals to apply to soybeans.
Thr label is the law! They broke the law the instant they applied it. I believe the penalty should be extreme and severe. |
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King City, Mo | Here's the link to the slides from Bradley
He used this one at the crop update last week
http://weedscience.missouri.edu/2017%20Dicamba%20Presentation.pdf
Crop injury forum
http://weedscience.missouri.edu/dicamba%20forum%202016%20Delta%20Ce...
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West Tennessee | TJG in MS - 12/23/2016 11:30
I bet he could come down here and make a fortune and show all of us.
Tom
+1. He probably should because it's going to be a real mess and having someone show us how to spray dicamba in June or July and not damage the neighbors crop around here would be a REAL benefit. |
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| Was told last week by a reliable source one of these morons used a plane. Can I get reverse insurance to protect my crops from neighbors? |
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scks | Now that is the best question (statement) of this entire topic. I know my neighbors and HOW they spray--nuff said. |
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Iowa | FX1000 - 12/23/2016 10:24
Are you suggesting that area needs to ban all herbicides?
Movement from inversions and drift are applicator mistakes independent of the herbicide.
A lot of people don't want to admit they have been doing a pretty shotty job of spraying, synthetic auxins do a good job of showing the errors of their way.
I worked retail for 15 years when dicamba was used on most corn acres. The only complaints we ever had were with dicamba. You can do everything right and still have issues. |
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Sw Ontario | Sidehill - 12/23/2016 23:50
FX1000 - 12/23/2016 10:24
Are you suggesting that area needs to ban all herbicides?
Movement from inversions and drift are applicator mistakes independent of the herbicide.
A lot of people don't want to admit they have been doing a pretty shotty job of spraying, synthetic auxins do a good job of showing the errors of their way.
I worked retail for 15 years when dicamba was used on most corn acres. The only complaints we ever had were with dicamba. You can do everything right and still have issues.
As a custom sprayer, we were asked this summer to spray a field of Extend beans with Extendimax with Vapor Grip. Beside the beans were tomatoes!!!!!
We thought we had the right equipment and workmanship to do it but I requested at least one CCA from the coop we work for, to come down to witness every aspect of what we were doing.
2 CCA's came down and everybody, including the farmer, agreed that we were doing things right under perfect conditions.
Time of the day 10 AM, wind 4 mph at 60 degrees away from tomatoes, temperatuur 25 C (80 F ?), 15 gpa water, extremely course droplets, speed 8 MPH, stayed away from tomatoes 3 feet.
After we sprayed the field everybody was very satisfied about our work.
2 Weeks later, the one rep from the coop that witnessed us called me and said there was a problem with the tomatoes: Dicamba damage !!!!!!
I went to that field 2 days later and couldn't see a problem but I'm not a tomato grower and didn't walk the whole field either.
I talked to the coop rep couple of weeks ago and asked about this particular case.
Insurance had paid 12 tons per acre @ I guess 120 per ton for 20 acres.
Monsanto can say whatever they want about their Vapor Grip, but I am not spraying their sh.t anymore. |
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NW TN, Dyersburg | Yeah, Tim.... what Dirtman & Tom said. I expected FX's list to include;
"Show me a farmer south of the Mason-Dixon Line & I'll show u a brain-dead blah blah blah."
But we all have "know it alls" close to home, I've been hit by drift by the same careless neighbors 4 times out of the last 7 or 8 yrs. Some people just don't care. I'm hoping the damage done in '16 will keep farmers alert to staying on target in the future. |
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sw corner ia. | yeah, it is just scare tactics. I am sure the judge will be very sympathetic to that argument. |
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Off target dicamba movement in Mo in 2016
