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cyclonefarmer1
Posted 8/18/2016 09:39 (#5476003)
Subject: AuctionTime is pulling a fast one!


Central Iowa
Yesterday I had the bid on an item with 5-10 min left on the Auction on auction time. I thought it was a fairly good buy and there wasn't much activity on it for the last hour. All of a sudden all auctions were paused. It said the item was sold on the page after time had expired. this was 10:30am ish. Mid afternoon I get a call and voicemail from auction time saying they had been hacked and it screwed up a lot of other sites too. This didn't allow people to bid right at that time. So their "fair" solution was to open back up the auction to be sold the next day at the same time. My thought of fair would be open it back up with the exact time remaining when the hack happened. Instead they opened back up the auction yesterday afternoon and basically gave the items 18 more hours for people to find and bid on them. On top of that they were calling everyone that bid or watched on the items to let them know they were back open. The item has significantly increased in value over night. Feel like I'm getting the shaft here. Thoughts?
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starvation
Posted 8/18/2016 09:45 (#5476013 - in reply to #5476003)
Subject: RE: AuctionTime is pulling a fast one!


mn
How you you feel if you were the seller and not the bidder ? The last minute of any online auction can get wild with the quick bid button and the pre max bid bids. Anyonr can get hacked, even this site has been hit.
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cyclonefarmer1
Posted 8/18/2016 09:52 (#5476025 - in reply to #5476013)
Subject: RE: AuctionTime is pulling a fast one!


Central Iowa
I definitely agree that the auction should open back up but just figured fair to everyone would be with the time remaining at time of hack or at least just a little extended time. Not 18+ hours. So essentially the item was almost sold, now extended gained around 55% in value coming in for a second auction end where it can get crazy. No one will ever know but I feel like this is going to sell for more than it would have yesterday without the hack. It's unfortunate and I suppose ultimately they need to keep their sellers happy because there are a lot more buyers other than me out there.
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Pofarmer
Posted 8/18/2016 11:11 (#5476163 - in reply to #5476025)
Subject: RE: AuctionTime is pulling a fast one!



The problem is you don't know when the hack occured, just when they shut down the site. Others might have been prevented from bidding for quite some time before the site actually went down.
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caseihfarmer
Posted 8/18/2016 11:44 (#5476224 - in reply to #5476025)
Subject: RE: AuctionTime is pulling a fast one!


East Central, Nebraska
interestingly enough, I was bidding on an old gleaner combine real close to me when the site went down. and just to show comparison, another local dealer sold the same model, same year of combine a week before. it had similar hours and some nice duels. I waited til this week thinking this one would be cheaper without duels, it was very close to the auction closing yesterday when it crashed, I had the bid for 3600 and was confident it was mine, today it brought another thousand or so more, and substancially more than the one the week before on a lot 15 miles away.

pretty interesting. I had hoped today no one would be watching but things seem to be bringing more than they had in previous weeks.
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Gregor
Posted 8/18/2016 12:45 (#5476315 - in reply to #5476224)
Subject: RE: AuctionTime is pulling a fast one!


East Central Nebraska
If it was the one in Columbus, a buddy of mine was pretty interested in that machine also. He was going to bid on that one this week. He's got another one similar to it that became a parts machine last fall. He was bidding on another one a couple weeks ago on a different site and was told somehow the owner got it back.
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KDD
Posted 8/18/2016 22:14 (#5477357 - in reply to #5476025)
Subject: RE: AuctionTime is pulling a fast one!



Leesburg, Ohio
So you are saying you should get to buy it for less money than someone else was actually willing to pay? Really? I thought in an auction, the winner was the high bid, not the one that could sneak in at the last split second and eliminate others willing to bid more.
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hillfarmer
Posted 8/18/2016 09:54 (#5476031 - in reply to #5476013)
Subject: RE: AuctionTime is pulling a fast one!



I feel the seller ,would have had the weenies, as to a screwed up ending

I think they should have given another week to finish
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cyclonefarmer1
Posted 8/18/2016 10:13 (#5476065 - in reply to #5476031)
Subject: RE: AuctionTime is pulling a fast one!


Central Iowa
That would actually be the fairest thing to do and start the auction back where they started it the first time. Sellers going to come out on top here because it will sell for more than it would have.
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ndcorngrower
Posted 8/18/2016 12:07 (#5476250 - in reply to #5476013)
Subject: RE: AuctionTime is pulling a fast one!


Victoria Township, North Dakota
DITTO

if you would had an expectation of revenue to cover a loan on a piece of equipment and it only brought 20% of what you were expecting you would feel pretty sick about it going so low.
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Justin ArkMo
Posted 8/18/2016 10:43 (#5476102 - in reply to #5476003)
Subject: RE: AuctionTime is pulling a fast one!


The Delta
Unfortunate situation. I dont buy at auctions for similar reasons.
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Jay NE Ohio
Posted 8/18/2016 10:52 (#5476126 - in reply to #5476003)
Subject: RE: AuctionTime is pulling a fast one!



northeastern Ohio
I used to get upset by buybacks at "absolute" auctions. Then one day I realized: The auctioneer is hired by the seller and is working for the seller. Nothing I can do about that fact. But I can stop bidding and take my business elsewhere at any time.

The same is true in this Auctiontime situation. Auctiontime is working for the seller. If I don't like the terms of the sale, the only recourse I have is to stop bidding. If enough people stop bidding, then the seller and auctioneer soon learn a lesson. I am not saying they did it "wrong", but they did what they did. Your recourse is to stop bidding at the level you felt was a fair price or not to bid at all.

I've never bought anything on Auctiontime. I've bought from Purplewave, Big Iron, Ebay, and local auctions.

Edited by Jay NE Ohio 8/18/2016 10:53
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cyclonefarmer1
Posted 8/18/2016 11:15 (#5476176 - in reply to #5476126)
Subject: RE: AuctionTime is pulling a fast one!


Central Iowa
I agree, I quit bidding and let it go. Auction increased by 80% of original "sold" value in the extra 18 hours but didn't increase anymore until the final minute where it increased another 32% of the original sold value. I let it go, it was probably still a fair price but not the deal it once was and I didn't want to deal with it in this way.
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Tazzerblue
Posted 8/18/2016 23:05 (#5477462 - in reply to #5476126)
Subject: There is alwasy another Auction!! Move on..


SW MN
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thefarmers
Posted 8/18/2016 11:21 (#5476185 - in reply to #5476003)
Subject: RE: AuctionTime is pulling a fast one!


I'd guess there were probably people trying to bid on it before and couldn't. I thought there was a thread on here yesterday with guys saying they couldn't get there bids through.
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cyclonefarmer1
Posted 8/18/2016 11:25 (#5476190 - in reply to #5476185)
Subject: RE: AuctionTime is pulling a fast one!


Central Iowa
I bid with what I want to say was 8min left and that bid went through but that was most likely the issue shortly after I bid.
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yathink
Posted 8/18/2016 11:25 (#5476191 - in reply to #5476185)
Subject: RE: AuctionTime is pulling a fast one!


north central iowa
Many times the item doesn't really take off until the last minute or so, so having the bid with 5 minutes left means nothing.
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D6Joe
Posted 8/18/2016 11:31 (#5476202 - in reply to #5476191)
Subject: RE: AuctionTime is pulling a fast one!


east central ND
yep, could have had 100 more bids waiting to snipe the last 10 seconds of the auction.
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cornmakeswhiskey
Posted 8/18/2016 11:31 (#5476200 - in reply to #5476003)
Subject: RE: AuctionTime is pulling a fast one!


I sold an item and am not satisfied either because I think might have gotten more if it had sold when it should have...
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behog
Posted 8/18/2016 12:01 (#5476242 - in reply to #5476003)
Subject: RE: AuctionTime is pulling a fast one!


frederick, MD
I went to a dispersal sale a few years ago and stood in the snow for 4 hours to bid on a tractor. The owners son and law bought almost everything there Except for some junk he didn't want. I was second bidder on a nice magnum but gave up at my limit and the son in law got it.
A few days later the seller came to my farm wanting to know if I still wanted it. Nope. GTFO .
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hillfarmer
Posted 8/18/2016 12:40 (#5476305 - in reply to #5476242)
Subject: RE: AuctionTime is pulling a fast one!



behog - 8/18/2016 13:01

I went to a dispersal sale a few years ago and stood in the snow for 4 hours to bid on a tractor. The owners son and law bought almost everything there Except for some junk he didn't want. I was second bidder on a nice magnum but gave up at my limit and the son in law got it.
A few days later the seller came to my farm wanting to know if I still wanted it. Nope. GTFO .


Maybe should have knocked off 15% and gave him an offer !!!
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johnny skeptical
Posted 8/18/2016 14:41 (#5476484 - in reply to #5476242)
Subject: RE: AuctionTime is pulling a fast one!



n.c.iowa

we had that happen to us at a auction while trying buy a skidloader.

the guy was a older fellow that had a small construction business, he was mostly into concrete flat work so he had a pretty decent line of tools related to that.     he had a bobcat s175, I think it was,  so I was asking one of his buddies about it, he gave a good report of it, and in the conversation he kinda let it slip what they were hoping to get out of it, the figure seemed reasonable enough, it was gonna be a small auction, so if if no one was interested I figured i'd be bidding against the owner in some way or form.

so the day of the auction arrived and we attended, like I said it was kinda small, and not very well attended, and I kept thinking, "boy this skidloader is gonna be cheap".   so they came to the skidloader and it wasn't going well they were about $5-6000 under market, I had the bid after a couple of halfhearted half bids.     they hadn't announced a reserve before bidding, so it looked like I was going to get a cheap skidloader.

I was watching the crowd, the auctioneer took alittle break in the action, like they do when a item isn't selling well,  when they got back at it all of a sudden there was another bidder.        now i'm no rocket scientist but it was pretty easy to figure out what was going on, I identified the individual that was supposedly bidding, he was the 16 year old nephew of one of the sellers buddies.

so I let them have their way for awhile, then the bid got to the acceptable price that was indicated to me previously.  which was still a decent price, and they blew right on by it, I was thinking what the heck?  the owner obviously had this kid bidding for him,  so I was thinking, lesson time, wonder how high they are willing to push it? so kept right on a bidding, got $3000 above where I thought they would stop, and I quit.  so I thought that is that.         

later the next day I get a call from my son( we were visiting my daughter--vacation)  hey this guy is looking for you, something about buying a skidloader, I recognized the name as the guy that had the auction.     so I let it be for a few days, then called him back, sure enough he was trying to sell that skidloader.   

after a few words of lame explanation of why the winning bidder didn't take it, I cut in and told him that I very well knew what was going on, and that I was going to let the bid go to the kinda agreed upon price, but when you fricking clowns tried to get greedy it was lesson time,  so if you want me to buy it from you now, it's going to be number where your boy jumped in.      

well there was a kinda long pause, then he mentioned something about bad advice, and something about me helping him out a little bit( I think he actually had to sell the stuff).   and that he couldn't find anybody to buy it, and on and on.    my response was this," you made your bed now lie in it". 

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PeteMN
Posted 8/18/2016 14:08 (#5476446 - in reply to #5476003)
Subject: RE: AuctionTime is pulling a fast one!


E.Central MN
I used to get upset if I saw something that went really cheap at an auction, but you never know how many more bids an item might get if you put in that next bid which in hindsight you think might have got it. If they really wanted to be fair then maybe they should have scheduled the auction to completely start over at a later date. Its their business, they get to set the rules. I don't think the sellers or the second highest bidders would have been happy if they had just declared the items sold when they discovered that there was a problem. Life is full of situations that we'd like to change in our favor, but that's the way the ball bounces. My advice: forget about it. Probably even better deals to come.
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Deere Meat
Posted 8/18/2016 18:23 (#5476739 - in reply to #5476003)
Subject: RE: AuctionTime is pulling a fast one!


Life is too short to hold a grudge against AuctionTime. (I'm not saying that you are ! !) They were under high pressure to get their site back working, therefore by delaying it 24 hrs would seem like the best thing they could have done. Like other posters have said: More bidders may have bid up the items even more, in the last few seconds, if they would have had the chance. Over all, prices in the auction today seemed to have not suffered from being delayed.
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WildBuckwheat
Posted 8/18/2016 19:39 (#5476885 - in reply to #5476003)
Subject: RE: AuctionTime is pulling a fast one!


Middlesex County, Ontario
The seller pays AuctionTime. I bet the seller is wishing the site got hacked every time he sold something.
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Mike SE IL
Posted 8/18/2016 23:20 (#5477486 - in reply to #5476003)
Subject: RE: AuctionTime is pulling a fast one!



West Union, Illinois

I don't anything about it, but if they really got hacked it's a difficult situation for everyone.  No matter what they do they can't please everyone.

Speaking of by-bidding, I was at a consignment auction several years ago.  On the back row were some augers and a belt conveyor.  I decided to see if I could buy it cheap.  I threw out a low ball bid to get it started then kept bidding.  Then I realized i was the only person there.  Everyone else either was not paying attention or walking off.  I stopped bidding. After an uncomfortable lack of bidding one of the ringmen tried to get me to bid again.  I told him I wasn't bidding against the guy in the tree.  When he asked what I meant?  I told him I was watching the auctioneer and the other bidder seemed to be up in the trees because that was where the auctioneer was looking. He begged me to bid one more time, so I raised my bid $10 and bought it.

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