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ScottLee
Posted 1/3/2014 08:42 (#3569621)
Subject: Cature LFR tank mixed with Liquid starter opinions



Benson, MN
Thinking about using Capture LFR next spring on my corn acres,tank mixed with 6-24-6 put in furrow with Totally Tubular placement. Looking for other growers that have used Capture this way (tank mixed with their starter fertilizer).
What rate did you use?
Did it tank mix "well"?
Were you satisfied with the results?
Was there anything that you didn't like about it?
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getafterit
Posted 1/3/2014 08:56 (#3569664 - in reply to #3569621)
Subject: Re: Cature LFR tank mixed with Liquid starter opinions


Red River Valley, MN
We used it last year. Thought it tank mixed very well with our 10-34. I didnt have any issues with bugs so I guess I can say I was happy with the results.
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evil lanky me
Posted 1/3/2014 08:58 (#3569671 - in reply to #3569621)
Subject: RE: Cature LFR tank mixed with Liquid starter opinions



We've bought a jug to mix with our 7-18-6, we'll see if it mixes well.  We tried using mustang max about 5-10 years ago and had a nightmare.  I think we'll try our Capture LFR on our last field in case it doesn't work right.

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redrotor1
Posted 1/3/2014 09:06 (#3569696 - in reply to #3569621)
Subject: Re: Cature LFR tank mixed with Liquid starter opinions


Southern Michigan
I use it in furrow with a 6-18-6 applied with keetons. No issues with tank mixing with my set up. Tank is mounted on front of tractor. This is what I do "here" if planting corn after soys or wheat I use the half rate of 3.6 oz/acre. If its COC with Smartstax I run the half rate, if not use full rate of 7.2 oz. If is is CRP ground I use the full rate. I did a side by side comparison one year and had a 3-5 bushel increase. I usually like to do a 3 years of side by side to get more info, but the last two years have been totally opposite of one another.
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BIGASH Farms
Posted 1/3/2014 09:07 (#3569697 - in reply to #3569621)
Subject: Re: Cature LFR tank mixed with Liquid starter opinions


MN
worked fine, mixes well.
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gtfinc
Posted 1/3/2014 09:09 (#3569707 - in reply to #3569621)
Subject: Re: Cature LFR tank mixed with Liquid starter opinions


Ran Capture LFR in 2013. Applied in two methods. First was injected into 10-34-0 using sidekick system. Worked well, could very rate easily. Second was tank mixed into fertilizer tanks on planter. Mixed easily and stayed mixed. Had in field trials of 0, 3.4 oz, and 6.8 oz. (zero, half rate, full rate) One year of results for what it is worth: 0 oz 171.89 bpa on 3 strips, 3.4 oz 176.43 bpa on 3 strips, 6.8 oz 170.68 on 4 strips. Corn variety was a double pro, no rootworm protection. Corn following soybeans. Will be doing additional trials next year.
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Jeff@JR Production
Posted 1/3/2014 09:10 (#3569708 - in reply to #3569707)
Subject: Re: Cature LFR tank mixed with Liquid starter opinions


Minnesota/Kentucky fertility based on ENERGY
Going back to Dry after 5 years of liquids
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johnny skeptical
Posted 1/3/2014 09:11 (#3569711 - in reply to #3569621)
Subject: RE: Cature LFR tank mixed with Liquid starter opinions



n.c.iowa

have used lfr for 4 years,mixed with 10-34-0,never a problem,have heard of some problems with other starter formulations though.if you going after rootworms,use nothing but the full rate.if just seedling pests,can get by with the 4.5 oz rate.

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Jeff@JR Production
Posted 1/3/2014 09:34 (#3569784 - in reply to #3569711)
Subject: Re: Cature LFR tank mixed with Liquid starter opinions


Minnesota/Kentucky fertility based on ENERGY
resistance, or just doesn't hold long enough seeing root worms into July just want to be safe
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johnny skeptical
Posted 1/3/2014 09:44 (#3569818 - in reply to #3569784)
Subject: Re: Cature LFR tank mixed with Liquid starter opinions



n.c.iowa

foilardud,you are right, i should qualify my answer,by saying if a grower is dealing with northerns,and southerns,capture is pretty effective,westerns on the other hand are becoming more of a problem,according to what i'm seeing they are showing up later in the season.   when harvesting starting to see a lot of western beetles around.

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mounder
Posted 1/3/2014 09:45 (#3569825 - in reply to #3569621)
Subject: RE: Cature LFR tank mixed with Liquid starter opinions


N.W. Illinois
We have used it for a number of years with 10-34-0. We've never had any issues with tank mixing, it mixes and stays in suspension very well. We use FMC's recommended full rate . What are you trying to control? If it's for root worm control I would use full rate for sure. I would add that I do not think it is a stand alone product for control of rootworm especially in my area. We use it in addition to traited seed corn for rootworm control.
FMC has a rebate program for using their product. The rebates are for the cost of equipment, improvements, etc. that you have done to your planter for the upcoming crop year. Our FMC rep has let us use any planter improvement as long as we can provide a invoice. The rebate is based off of how much product you use but is not dependent on future use of Capture.
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gleanerknowsbest
Posted 1/3/2014 09:48 (#3569837 - in reply to #3569621)
Subject: RE: Cature LFR tank mixed with Liquid starter opinions


WE USE A PRODUCT CALLED BI-FEN AND ITS A WHOLE LOT CHEAPER AND CAPTURE LFR AND NEVER HAVE ANY TROUBLES TANK MIXING WITH 10-34-0,
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MOE
Posted 1/3/2014 09:51 (#3569844 - in reply to #3569837)
Subject: Re: Cature LFR tank mixed with Liquid starter opinions


Mankato Minnesota

+1
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redrotor1
Posted 1/3/2014 09:52 (#3569853 - in reply to #3569837)
Subject: Re: Cature LFR tank mixed with Liquid starter opinions


Southern Michigan
What is your cost per acre with bifen? Are you using full or half rate?
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IH986
Posted 1/3/2014 10:02 (#3569877 - in reply to #3569853)
Subject: Re: Cature LFR tank mixed with Liquid starter opinions


Don't use the Bifenture! It may look good because of price but, if you run a jar test like I did you will see how the fertilizer and insecticide separate almost immediately after mixing. You would need aggressive agitation to keep it in suspension. This will cause problems if you have to stop planting and have product left in your tanks. Capture LFR in a jar test next to this stayed in suspension for almost 6 months. In my mind Capture is the superior product.
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deereman
Posted 1/3/2014 10:29 (#3569950 - in reply to #3569621)
Subject: RE: Cature LFR tank mixed with Liquid starter opinions


NE SD
Have use capture LFR for several years until last year. This was in pretty heavy rootworm pressure fields. We did root digs and checked with and without capture at full rate and could see no difference at all. Not saying it is totally worthless but in heavy rootworm pressure it does not work good enough and I did have lodged corn and roots eaten and chewed on. I switched to Aztec last year. Aztec is much more PITA to deal with but it works. The capture did however mix very well and did not have any problems with that.
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behog
Posted 1/3/2014 11:00 (#3570015 - in reply to #3569711)
Subject: Re: Cature LFR tank mixed with Liquid starter opinions


frederick, MD
If you have more then several hundred acres to plant it would pay to have 2 liquid systems. One for you fertilizer and one for your insecticide. Just using water in your insecticide tank would allow you to use much cheaper generics. On my old planter my insecticide system was only using about 2 gallons of water per acre. We used very small micro tubes. Just need to be sure to flush the system at the end of the day. You could probably save about 9 dollars an acre.
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gleanerknowsbest
Posted 1/3/2014 11:03 (#3570021 - in reply to #3569950)
Subject: Re: Cature LFR tank mixed with Liquid starter opinions


WE USE A HAVE RATE OF BI FEN AND HAVE HAD NO TROUBLES WITH IT. WE RUN FRONT MOUNT TANKS AND DO RUN A RETURN LINE OFF OF THE HYDRALIC PUMP FOR SOME AGITATION AND THE FERTILIZER MOVES AROUND ENOUGH ANWAYS WITH GOING OVER TERRACES AND WHAT NOT PLANTING. WE RUN 3 GALLON PER ACRE OF POP UP 10 34-0 ON ABOUT 2100 ACRES OF CORN A YEAR AND DO NOT SEEM TO HAVE TROUBLE PLUGGING SCREENS. WE WILL PROBABLY KEEP USING IT UNTILL WE SEE A REASON NOT TO USE IT ANYMORE ITS MORE OF A PEACE OF MIND THING FOR US, PLANTING EARLY WITH GRUBS AND CUTWORMS, WIREWORMS SEEMS TO BE A GOOD REASON WHEN PLANTING 230 DOLLAR A BAG CORN SEED.
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Oliver1
Posted 1/3/2014 11:23 (#3570054 - in reply to #3570021)
Subject: Re: Cature LFR tank mixed with Liquid starter opinions



Alton, Ia
Maybe you should use some of that money you saved and buy a new keyboard. One that has lower case letters.
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MOE
Posted 1/3/2014 12:41 (#3570212 - in reply to #3569877)
Subject: Re: Cature LFR tank mixed with Liquid starter opinions


Mankato Minnesota
I have electric agitation pumps on my planter tanks. I also use a compatibility agent. Generic capture is about $60.00/gal. I use 5.12 oz./acre with my 9-18-9. I have no problems.
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bpreuss
Posted 1/3/2014 14:03 (#3570395 - in reply to #3569621)
Subject: Re: Cature LFR tank mixed with Liquid starter opinions


MN
been using full rate for a few years now, mixed with 10-34-0. never had an issue, but we run pretty aggressive agitation just to be safe. Thinking about going with an injection system to be able to run generic and save some money on insecticide cost.
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nhermie
Posted 1/3/2014 15:10 (#3570517 - in reply to #3569621)
Subject: Re: Cature LFR tank mixed with Liquid starter opinions


East Central Iowa
My suggestions is to not rely on Capture if you are looking to control rootworms. We had TERRIBLE rootworm control with it this year. Might as well be applying 8 oz. of water..... If you don't need rootworm protection, it does work well in starter blends though.
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17821x
Posted 1/3/2014 18:56 (#3571032 - in reply to #3570212)
Subject: Re: Cature LFR tank mixed with Liquid starter opinions


NE Iowa
If you don't mind me asking what is the name of the compatibility agent and rate that you use.
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Savage
Posted 1/3/2014 22:14 (#3571745 - in reply to #3569621)
Subject: I would suggest



Gresham, Nebraska
Applying the Capture in furrow on top of the seed (wireworms, seed corn maggots, etc). Watch your screens.
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MOE
Posted 1/3/2014 22:21 (#3571770 - in reply to #3571032)
Subject: Re: Cature LFR tank mixed with Liquid starter opinions


Mankato Minnesota

@17821x~ http://www.agxplore.com/files/linke%20label%20rev12-14-11%205.75x4....
I use 2 pints of LINKE/100 gallons of 9-18-9 when mixing the generic capture at 5.12oz./acre. I also use 1-2 pints/acre of 9% EDTA zinc. The zinc is previously mixed with the starter. The generic capture and LINKE go in right at planter fill. The 9-18-9 is applied at about 5 1/2 gals./acre with this mix.
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wkoleary
Posted 1/4/2014 09:48 (#3572503 - in reply to #3569621)
Subject: Re: Cature LFR tank mixed with Liquid starter opinions


Danvers mn
We are back using dry. Better products. bill
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stecky1984
Posted 1/4/2014 22:00 (#3574248 - in reply to #3569621)
Subject: Re: Cature LFR tank mixed with Liquid starter opinions


Bernard, IA
Capture lfr is junk. Used it for 2 years with liquid stater.
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