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mike in sw mn
Posted 1/18/2008 22:42 (#286716)
Subject: 4020 batteries


Walnut Grove MN USA
Went to start the old girl to load soybeans this morning and nothin. tried again and nothin. Third time the charm, she turned over slowly then I let offf the button and she kept turning a few more times till the batteries went dead. I think the relay shorted out again. Anyway it has a cab on it and a loader so getting at the batteries is, umm, a challenge, especially when it is far far from a heated shop. I am sick of the short life of the long and skinny batteries and looking to change to something better. Any ideas? Have a couple ideas but looking for others. Right now I cannot hook up jumper cables or even a 12V fuel pump if I need to. It has been converted to 12V a long time ago.
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95h
Posted 1/18/2008 23:06 (#286736 - in reply to #286716)
Subject: RE: 4020 batteries


Kittitas Co. Wa. State

Battery placement on the ol' 4020's were about the only bad thing about the 4020's.  Years ago I built a couple of battery boxes and hung them on the side rails dang easy to get to but never liked having those 12 volts just hanging out there like that. I've thought several times,," I should really plan out a slick way to intrigrate them into the steps on the left side getting up in the cab."  but,,, dang things are still hanging in the battery boxes on the side rails.

Something like the 30, 40,50 etc. series was my general thought.

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jalopy
Posted 1/18/2008 23:11 (#286745 - in reply to #286716)
Subject: RE: 4020 batteries


NC IA
build or buy a battery box that holds a group 31 battery, 950 CCAs. Or two if you regularly start it below 20*.

End of problems.
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Newguy
Posted 1/18/2008 23:33 (#286761 - in reply to #286716)
Subject: RE: 4020 batteries


Renville Minnesota

Hey Mike,

We had a 3020 and a 4010, and after all these years, FINALLY someone else (sorry its you) stepped up to the plate and admits those tractors have horrible battery issues!

The last few years we had the 4010 we put an off/on switch on the main power line.  Seemed to make the battery's last at least 2 years instead of 8 months. 

Good luck

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msb
Posted 1/18/2008 23:57 (#286776 - in reply to #286716)
Subject: RE: 4020 batteries


Lapel, In
The switch plate in the solenoid has welded itself to one of the contact buttons. Sometimes you can take the solenoid apart and reverse the sides of the plate. Sometimes you replace the solenoid depending on how it was manufactured. It often happens when trying to start the tractor and the voltage is low.
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fatboy
Posted 1/19/2008 00:30 (#286800 - in reply to #286716)
Subject: RE: 4020 batteries



SE Nebraska
I replaced the batteries in my 4020 five years ago and they are still going strong. Used the JD Hibernators.
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Matt neoh
Posted 1/19/2008 06:29 (#286841 - in reply to #286800)
Subject: RE: 4020 batteries


There is know way I can get more than 2.5 to 3 years out of a set of batteries weather there jd or any one elses.
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Ed Winkle
Posted 1/19/2008 08:01 (#286852 - in reply to #286716)
Subject: Re: 4020 batteries


Martinsville, Ohio
Just went through that myself. One old tractor has two twevle volts in parallel instead of two HD six volts in series. Dead as a doornail. Found bad cable end. We all ought to take apart and service the electrical system once a year but we wait until it breaks.

Ed
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kb ag
Posted 1/19/2008 11:31 (#286984 - in reply to #286716)
Subject: RE: 4020 batteries


nc ks
I am getting ready to build a battery box for my 4020. I have a loader but no cab. I am going to build a box that will hold two large pick-up style batteries and place it on the frame rail right below the starter. Battery life for me has not been a big deal, but the maintenence of the long cables and the hinged battery boxes is for the birds. I will put a tread plate lid on the box and it should keep the batteries a lot cleaner than when they are under the deck. The reason I will go with the pu batteries rather than the bigger tractor batteries found in later JD's is the box will not stick out farther than my loader mounts with the smaller ones. I think the biggest improvement of this mod will be the shortening of all the cables. If the box will inhibit ease of getting on the tractor, I will mount one of the step assemblies that we took off our 55 series when we put on the stairs. I am pretty sure the two 12 volt batteries will have more cranking power than the two 6 volt skinny ones. My tractor is very sensitive to cranking speed. On cold days when it is not plugged in, it will sometimes not start on its own batteries, but if you hook a pu up with jumpers, it fires almost immediately, which is my main reason for making this switch.
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gr ecks
Posted 1/19/2008 12:11 (#287005 - in reply to #286716)
Subject: RE: 4020 batteries


I made a bracket on my 3020 out of light angle on the right side, where the battery would be. Just one 12 volt. It would be easier on the left side for cables but is more out of the way for other things on the right side. The only problem I had was when needing a new battery once the frame was a hair small for the battery.
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Dave Cen.Ia
Posted 1/19/2008 12:57 (#287047 - in reply to #286984)
Subject: RE: 4020 batteries



Nevada, Iowa
Hi,

I would be interested in seeing your completed job. I have had pretty good service out of the batteries on our 4020 but replacing and maintaining them is very unhandy. I have a loader too and would probably lean toward the right side of the tractor unless we can make a step work, which is what I think you have in mind. Please post back here or email. I need good ideas. Thanks, Dave
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Tim KS
Posted 1/19/2008 16:05 (#287177 - in reply to #286716)
Subject: RE: 4020 batteries


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Ernie
Posted 1/19/2008 16:16 (#287190 - in reply to #287177)
Subject: 1 Vote for the tarp strap



North End I-15
I did the same strap method on my 1256
I see Sams club is handling the Energizer batteries . How do they hold up ?

Edited by Ernie 1/19/2008 16:17
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Tim KS
Posted 1/19/2008 17:50 (#287245 - in reply to #287190)
Subject: RE: 1 Vote for the tarp strap


I've had good luck with the batteries from Sam's.  That particular battery is a year & half old working good.

 I've had a problem with one battery from Sam's in my pickup, and they replaced it without question....no hassle.  Wink

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buckshot
Posted 1/19/2008 18:09 (#287253 - in reply to #287245)
Subject: RE: 1 Vote for the tarp strap


i use two walmart car batteries on my d6 dozer, do not run it in winter and get along fine, plus they are easy to lift for an old man
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Ernie
Posted 1/19/2008 19:21 (#287303 - in reply to #287253)
Subject: I see Sams also is selling



North End I-15
the Optima's Red , Yellow and Black(Dark blue?) topped . 169$ for the Heavy duty one.
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Jon Hagen
Posted 1/19/2008 20:19 (#287359 - in reply to #287303)
Subject: RE: I see Sams also is selling (PIC)



Hagen Brothers farms,Goodrich ND
This conversion has much improved cranking power and eliminated battery and corrosion problems.
Battery box is as close to the starter as possible with short heavy cables and a spiral cell AGM battery called the Orbital force reactor.
It is an Optima clone made by Exide and 1/3 cheaper than an Optima at NAPA stores.

Edited by Jon Hagen 1/19/2008 20:22




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kb ag
Posted 1/19/2008 20:47 (#287382 - in reply to #287177)
Subject: RE: 4020 batteries


nc ks
is that a diesel and do you use it in the winter? Wondering how well the one battery is working for you. That is very similar to what I want to build, thanks for the pic.
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plowboy
Posted 1/19/2008 21:07 (#287398 - in reply to #286716)
Subject: Re: 4020 batteries



Brazilton KS
There is room for a Gr 27 or 31 underneath the platform on either side....our 4000 is on the left, the 4010 is on the right. One of them will give you twice as much spin as a pair of the stupid 3EH and 3 ET's that they came with.
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Tim KS
Posted 1/19/2008 23:20 (#287493 - in reply to #287382)
Subject: RE: Winter Use


I plug in a block heater if I use it in the winter & it's below 20º.  Half hour on heater and she starts right up.

 

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95h
Posted 1/20/2008 09:01 (#287617 - in reply to #286761)
Subject: RE: John deere batt placement


Kittitas Co. Wa. State

The 4020 wasn't the only P. poor battery placement idea's JD has had.  The designers and engineers don't think about servicing and service life when it comes to battery placement.

It seem's some times the machine is completely designed right down to the nitty's kitty, then on the assembly line it finally dawns on someone, " UH,don't we need a battery to start this thing?"  So they jam a battery in where it seems to fit.

JD Swather's have been "battery eater's" for years, clear back with the 30 series swathers. I can appreciate trying to keep battery cables short,, but they crowded the batteries so close to the engine blocks, and the engine heat cooks the batteries. Batt. life is less than 1/2 of what they should be.  Even the rotary's aren't any better, battery's too close to the main heat producer, engines.  They could design a box somewhere away from the heat,  a step would work, or design a baffle or way to keep the battery from getting cooked by engine heat.  

I remember 30+ years ago Dad had an JD 880 swather,, IT ate batteries for breakfast! The batteries were about 12 inches from the enclosed engine and just about every year we replaced the batteries because they were "cooked".

But then they couldn't sell more $160.00 batteries....   (ya well I buy Exide batteries from Napa for 1/3 the price. Exide has the contract for JD batteries.

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Jon Hagen
Posted 1/20/2008 10:28 (#287687 - in reply to #287382)
Subject: RE: 4020 batteries



Hagen Brothers farms,Goodrich ND
kb ag - 1/20/2008 19:47

is that a diesel and do you use it in the winter? Wondering how well the one battery is working for you. That is very similar to what I want to build, thanks for the pic.


This is a gas engine model, and it does start un aided in 20 below temps.

On a diesel I would wire in two Spiral cell AGM batterys, each with their own hot and ground cables directly to the starter. Both hot cables on the solenoid stud and both ground cables under starter mounting bolts.

Edited by Jon Hagen 1/20/2008 10:29
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