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| Truck will be pulling heavy loads on gravel roads to fields, pulling triple axle sprayer trailer. I am curious if W900 would not be a good choice because I was told it does not turn well. I am interested in it because I have talked myself into thinking the cabs are tighter and think KWs may be just a little better qaulity.(maybe a little cooler then FL or Volvo).... I have found a nice 2004 with ISX, 72 in sleeper, with 18spd. Asking price is 38,000. The sleeper is handy for storage, and the long wheel base should help ride,is why I was thinking with staying with sleeper trucks. In the past have had FL 120 and an Eagle, it seems money wise the 379's and w900's are more money but not significantly more. I did try a short daycab 378 and could not stand the ride, sold it as quick as possible. Currently running 1998 9300 eagle, great truck but M11 motor has its hands ful, by the time it gets up to highway speed its time to slow down for towns(several miles). I really would like input on ISX, is that prior to emisions? Budget wise I would like to stay in the 40-50 range and avoid emissions. I am open to all makes, just really want the best truck to get the job done. I do spend all summer in truck and sprayer, so after ten years just looking to upgrade a little. TIA
p.s. sorry for choppy sentence, trying to type and help with kids |
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central Ia. | Setback front axle on the T800 would be good for getting in and out of field drives |
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| There is a reason the fleets run the freightliners and IHC. I always thought the KW had better cabs but after I drove a couple I have changed my mind. As with anything it is how they are driven and cared for.
I agree the T-800 with the setback axle would be better than the W 900 for turning. |
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| We have two W900's, both with ISX Cummins, one 18 speed, other 13 speed, one 86" other 72". Both are great trucks. We haul corn and beans to the bins on gravel roads, no problems getting to where we need to go. |
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Wi | Saying a KW cab is nicer is like saying a Ford cab is nicer than a Dodge. Yes it is put together a little better to begin with, but it is in the options. If you get a plain jane splendor interior its not going to be the really nice quiet plush smooth cab. Just like if you get a work truck package in a pickup. If you get the Diamond interior with Quiet Cab insulation, then you will be driving in peace.
Theres still some people that don't like the KW cabs. Personally they are my favorite. The Dash may be a bit of a reach, especially the radio, but if it was any more slanted it would probably be in the way otherwise. I like the leg room in the KW. I am always banging my knees elbows and so on when getting in and out of our mack or freightliner, but in the KW's I can't even touch the windsheild from the seat. Its narrow which helps with visibility in a way.
A W900 is going to ride nicer and have higher resale, however a T800 is going to manuever better if you have very tight situations. This is mostly only getting in and out of fields. In door yards there is usually plenty of room and outside of your farm the rest of the places are designed for longer trucks. Past that they are identical trucks from the firewall back. KW sleepers are nice. Even in the Flat Top Aerocab's a 6' tall person can stand up. They also off the couch package in the larger ones. A 2004 ISX could be EGR or it could not be. You can tell by looking at the drivers side of the motor. Compare the pictures of them with an 02 truck and an 05 truck on truck paper and you should see the differences.
Edited by durallymax 3/6/2013 21:16
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Marion,ks | A 2004 ISX will be aEGR motor the last non EGR s were in 2002 I have a 01 ,04 and 07 ISX in T_600,s try to avoid a 04 they had more problems with the EGR stuff the 01 gets the best fuel mileage and least repair cost. A T-600 or aT-800 is a cheaper truck and just as nice also lots less chrome to clean and polish . I have both the splendor interiors and the VIT interior both are very nice. They changed interiors in 02,and 06 I like 01 cab the best the 07 cab is very modern. |
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No Mans Land , Cimarron co. OK. | i prefer ext. hood petes, w900L kw is ok too |
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| I've driven several peterbilts , a 600 kw, couple macks, a few volvos a bunch of FM and IH trucks. Currently have a IH an flc 120. I love my IH 9200. Great ride, nice cab with lots of leg room (I'm 6'6"). Mine is ISM also on hills would be nice to have more ponies but ponies like to eat. Nothing wrong with kw or Pete or the others but just like the IH trucks. Also never liked the 8 bag air ride the kw has definitely prefer 4 bag seem tougher. They all make good trucks or they would be out of business. Good luck |
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| Thanks for all the input! Im enjoying reading all the comments! |
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MN | Get a w900. They look the best! |
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Wi | bullranch - 3/6/2013 21:09 I've driven several peterbilts , a 600 kw, couple macks, a few volvos a bunch of FM and IH trucks. Currently have a IH an flc 120. I love my IH 9200. Great ride, nice cab with lots of leg room (I'm 6'6"). Mine is ISM also on hills would be nice to have more ponies but ponies like to eat. Nothing wrong with kw or Pete or the others but just like the IH trucks. Also never liked the 8 bag air ride the kw has definitely prefer 4 bag seem tougher. They all make good trucks or they would be out of business. Good luck
KW offers the Pete Air ride. Its the AG380. The AG400 4 bag is a nice system but heavy. The AG200 was a bad setup. The Ag100 wasn't bad though. We have AG100 on the one truck and Ag380 on the other, the one with the 380 is much newer and a sleeper truck so its hard to compare the ride differences. They are pretty close though. The Main thing is that the Ag380 is lighter. But for heavier work you need the Ag400 or AG460. You can always spec a hendrickson air ride as well. |
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Wi | bpreuss - 3/6/2013 21:19 Get a w900. They look the best!
On a personal level, I agree. My favorite truck by far for looks and comfort. 379EXHD/389 is just too boring for me. Big flat square hood with plain round fenders.
W900L has the long curved look to it with the long swooping fenders than resemble an old dusenberg. The narrower cathedral grille looks a little nicer and retro at the same time. |
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Hubbard IA Cornpatch USA | +100 |
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NE Illinois | Have W900's and 379EX hood both manuver about the same, both great looking trucks. KW has a better cab and ride, don't like the mirrors on the door on Pete, again both great trucks. |
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North shore of Lake Ontario | We have an 03 T800 . Everyone who drive it says it is a nice truck and works well. However it has a16000lb front axle and it does not turn as short as some long nose Petes. The other beef I have is what other posters have said is good and that is leg room. I run the seat all the way back and can,t straighten my left leg all the way. Having a knee replacement on that leg makes for a long ride sometimes. I would test drive any truck before buying as sometimes the specs don't always prove out in real life.
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| We prefer 379exh ,the cabs are tight,flex air suspension is a great ride. We buy 260 to 270 inch wheelbase,they turn well,pulling 51 foot hoppers out of the fields. The pete's are easier to work on as we do our work. We have a KW t-800 also,nice driving truck but very hard to work on. One thing is the longer the hood is , the easier it is to work on the engine. The pete's might have better resale down the road. |
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NE Illinois | Have W900's and 379EX hood both manuver about the same, both great looking trucks. KW has a better cab and ride, don't like the mirrors on the door on a Pete, again both great trucks. A huge plus with the Paccar trucks is the door hinges, the Navistar door hinges are to light. They are automotive quality. IMO buy a pete or kw you won't regret it. |
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NC ND | this whole thread comes down to personal preference except the last comment, turn the steering stops in on a long nose pete or a w900 and the Pete will
far outturn the 900. My 379 can turn just as sharp as the t600's with 30" more wheel base. Difference is the t600 will slide the steer axle on gravel and
the Pete corners like it on rails. Front spring is about the same size on the T600/800 and the 379, W900 is shorter and in my experience does not handle
real rough roads as well. (potholes). |
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NE Illinois | W900 has 130" hood pete has 127" Have both and turning real close to same pete may be a wee bit tighter but not much. Again both great trucks just prefer Kw for alot of reasons. Exhaust under cab lasts longer not down where elements splash on it and not in the way when time comes to replace clutch. Just minor things, doors are better quality also. I'm not tall but hit my knee on steering when in and out of pete, not crazy about clutch pedal either kw is out of the way. |
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Wi | copper105 - 3/7/2013 05:37 Have W900's and 379EX hood both manuver about the same, both great looking trucks. KW has a better cab and ride, don't like the mirrors on the door on a Pete, again both great trucks. A huge plus with the Paccar trucks is the door hinges, the Navistar door hinges are to light. They are automotive quality. IMO buy a pete or kw you won't regret it.
Every time I get in another truck the first thing I miss is the mirrors on the KW. The Mack mirrors are so far back you really have to move around a lot to see in them. Freightliner mirrors shake so bad with the doors too.
Treekiller - 3/7/2013 04:42 We prefer 379exh ,the cabs are tight,flex air suspension is a great ride. We buy 260 to 270 inch wheelbase,they turn well,pulling 51 foot hoppers out of the fields. The pete's are easier to work on as we do our work. We have a KW t-800 also,nice driving truck but very hard to work on. One thing is the longer the hood is , the easier it is to work on the engine. The pete's might have better resale down the road.
A 379's engine sure does sit way out there. I like that you can still see the back of the motor on a T800/T600 which makes it nicer than a lot of trucks, but the long hoods are definately nicer. Now if they had the engines in there that they were designed for it may get a little more cramped(12v71,3408,KTA1150).
I think resale is pretty close on KW and Pete. I had been spending a lot of time truck shopping a few months ago and when it came to 379 versus W900, similar trucks were similar in price. W900s seemed higher overall but there were a lot more rougher looking 379s that may have been the cause for that. Seems so many people just want a 379 to be a "super truck" then don't take care of it at all. It just seems there is a higher percentage of people with pride in the W900s than the 379s. See a lot of beat up unpolished 379s rolling around here. I think they are neck and neck though resale wise. I definatley think the 379 Short Hood will outsell the W900B. Those things are ugly with an aerocab.
The T800 seems to really hold its value if it is spec'd with a big motor and trans. Pete doesn't really seem to have a direct competitor to the T800. The 357/367 maybe. 386 is more along the lines of T660 and both trucks seem close.
It does seem like the 387 holds much more value than a T2000 though. Its a much nicer looking truck too. But now they are onto the 587 and T700 as well as the 579 and T680.
Tompa - 3/7/2013 04:41 We have an 03 T800 . Everyone who drive it says it is a nice truck and works well. However it has a16000lb front axle and it does not turn as short as some long nose Petes. The other beef I have is what other posters have said is good and that is leg room. I run the seat all the way back and can,t straighten my left leg all the way. Having a knee replacement on that leg makes for a long ride sometimes. I would test drive any truck before buying as sometimes the specs don't always prove out in real life. tom
Is it an Aerocab? Even so, a regular day cab Aerocab doesn't let a tall person stretch out, but it is sure roomier than any of the Macks, IH's, Freightliner or Volvo Day cabs I have driven. Extended day cab helps somewhat. Sleeper is nicest though if it fits the bill. Lets you slide way back and recline if needed. In our sleeper truck I sit behind what would be the back panel on a standard day cab. have to lean forward a ways to see out the side window for traffic. I really notice how tight the non-aerocab daycab T800 is after driving the sleeper truck, but after sitting in the Mack or Freightliner for awhile, that T800 seems like it has the most room in the world. Could just be because the dash is further away, maybe not actually much more leg room, but I don't know. Feels more comfortable. |
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