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9670guy
Posted 10/9/2012 06:22 (#2631110)
Subject: Planting wheat depth?


NW IL
Whats too deep? Whats too shallow? Dry here like everywhere else. Tia.
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rank
Posted 10/9/2012 07:02 (#2631136 - in reply to #2631110)
Subject: RE: Planting wheat depth?


SEON
I think most of the experts say to target 1".
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swne
Posted 10/9/2012 08:12 (#2631205 - in reply to #2631110)
Subject: Re: Planting wheat depth?


Cambridge, southwestern Nebraska
I like an inch. Less than that it my not develope a good root system. Deeper than that it can struggle to come up especially if it gets a hard rain on it. Also, my experience had been if wheat is planted too deep it hurts the yield potential.
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Ed Winkle
Posted 10/9/2012 08:14 (#2631209 - in reply to #2631110)
Subject: Re: Planting wheat depth?


Martinsville, Ohio
One inch is my guide. My soil was on the heavy side so I seeded what looks to be like an average 3/4 inch and it is up. I wouldn't want to go less than a half inch but just so it is all covered, it doesn't need depth for nodal roots as critically as corn. Ideal for me would be plant an inch and just damp enough to get it up in a week. Mine was too heavy at one inch so I shallowed it up a bit.

Ed
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bigdirt
Posted 10/9/2012 08:14 (#2631212 - in reply to #2631110)
Subject: Re: Planting wheat depth?


North Central Indiana
Over 2 inches is too much. It causes the wheat to have to make a joint and burns up a lot of energy getting out of the ground. An inch is perfect or a little less. As long as it has good soil contact you will be good.
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mccoyranch
Posted 10/9/2012 09:12 (#2631317 - in reply to #2631212)
Subject: Re: Planting wheat depth?


North Central Kansas
An inch is good. I don't worry too much about too deep. Notice my location, we can grow wheat pretty easy. I'll share a story with you. A man came in our local welding shop with a quart jar, few kernels of wheat, some soil and water. He put the wheat in the bottom, a little splash of water, then filled it with soil. He set it in the window sill with many witnesses. The wheat came up.
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Prohay
Posted 10/9/2012 10:44 (#2631396 - in reply to #2631317)
Subject: Re: Planting wheat depth?


No Mans Land , Cimarron co. OK.
if it can be too deep why do they make so many hoe drills to get to moisture ? I dont worry too much about being too deep long as it is layed into moist soil.
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rank
Posted 10/9/2012 11:54 (#2631457 - in reply to #2631396)
Subject: Re: Planting wheat depth?


SEON
here's a Phil Needham video
http://www.realagriculture.com/2012/10/wheat-school-the-impact-of-s...
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mhagny
Posted 10/11/2012 11:44 (#2634796 - in reply to #2631457)
Subject: Re: Planting wheat depth?


rank - 10/9/2012 10:54 here's a Phil Needham video http://www.realagriculture.com/2012/10/wheat-school-the-impact-of-s...

A couple caveats.  A uniform 1" seeding depth for wheat may be optimal in areas without winterkill issues (mild winters, no sudden changes in temp).  Where winterkill is a problem, I would prefer to see 1.5" minimum. 

Another issue is getting all the seeds to a certain depth in no-till conditions.  It's extremely challenging to cut a furrow only 1" deep and get a clean cut on the straw and surface residue.  Wheat seeds in hairpinned residue either don't grow at all, or are extremely feeble.  This can be a far greater yield robber than planting slightly deeper.  For example, the JD 50/60/90-series gauge-wheel drills usually hairpin stubble badly at 1" depth (depending on conditions), but they get reasonably decent at 1.75 - 2.0".  This is with 18" blades on the Deere, and using adequate downpressure and frame weight.  Some drills with 22" blades are even worse about hairpinning.

Some farmers in Australia and the PNW are using row cleaners on their drills, but this has its own set of problems.

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Edited by mhagny 10/11/2012 11:45
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rank
Posted 10/11/2012 17:59 (#2635059 - in reply to #2634796)
Subject: Re: Planting wheat depth?


SEON
mhagny - 10/11/2012 11:44

rank - 10/9/2012 10:54 here's a Phil Needham video http://www.realagriculture.com/2012/10/wheat-school-the-impact-of-s...

A couple caveats.  A uniform 1" seeding depth for wheat may be optimal in areas without winterkill issues (mild winters, no sudden changes in temp)...... 


I have no argument with that.
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nwksmilo
Posted 10/9/2012 13:56 (#2631570 - in reply to #2631396)
Subject: Re: Planting wheat depth?



Colby, KS
Ditto here. I'll go up to 3". If no moisture at 3", then I go 1-1.5" and wait for rain. Hoe drills find moisture because you measure to the bottom of the furrow. I still like hoe drills. The deep furrows give the seedlings shelter from wind. The downside is if the furrows wash or blow and bury the seed or seedlings. Don't have to worry about that when it doesn't rain though
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JRthefarmer
Posted 10/9/2012 22:30 (#2632247 - in reply to #2631110)
Subject: Re: Planting wheat depth?



SESD
I plant at 2".
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Kal Drogo
Posted 10/10/2012 01:14 (#2632506 - in reply to #2631110)
Subject: Re: Planting wheat depth?


They don't make a drill that would put the seed into moisture this year in SWSD
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