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Posted 9/13/2012 00:13 (#2588566 - in reply to #2588251)
Subject: RE: organics opposition


Michigan.
Jon Hagen - 9/12/2012 22:05

I worked with a group, cleaning packaging and selling Omega flax into the health food market. My job was cleaning the flax to human food specs, actually I went well beyond that cleaning the flax to the point we could put in a clear plastic bottle on a store shelf and have it look beautiful and very pure, not one bad flax seed or weed in the mix.

I hated to clean organic flax. In the first place, it was so loaded with weed seeds, diseased seeds and thin empty seeds that the average clean out rate to get it to our very clean human food spec, was well above 50% of the already outrageously expensive raw product.
When cleaning conventional Omega flax, clean out was usually only 15%-20% of the raw product.

When running organic flax through the air /screen cleaners and gravity table, after having run nice heavy conventional Omega flax, I would have to go through a mad rush of adjusting air dampers and fan VS units to prevent blowing the much thinner, lighter weight anemic, organic flax right over the screens and into the screenings bin.

Those poor little organic flax seeds never had the feeding of good commercial fertilizer to help them grow into big plump seeds. Besides the poor things not getting enough food, they were under attack from every weed, insect , mold and fungus that can possibly attack a plant.
Once we did get those few marketable seeds in the oackage, the shelf life was much shorter than the conventional flax, because the seed coat was infested with molds, fungus, and insect eggs that tend to hatch inside the sealed bottle.

We had more than one organic customer complaining about finding a newly hatched something in the wonderful "pure " pesticide free organic flax that had been on their shelf for 6 months to a year.
We never had any comeback of the conventional flax that had been protected by a normal treat of fertilizer and pesticides to take out the insects and mold, fungus.

Another thing was the incredible complex paper trail the organic orginisation demanded on all the organic product we processed. Not only the hours spent on the paper trail, but also the extortion like inspection fees of the Organic organisation.
One time during one of the hours long organic inspections during a busy time, I lost it a bit, raised my voice and asked the inspector, why don't you just take samples of the stuff and have it analyzed at a lab and charge me for the lab cost ??

The inspector said, "oh no, we cant do that, the difference in pesticide level between organic and conventional is so small that no lab test can detect it. "
That statement was the final straw in convincing me that organics is nothing but a fear mongering scam with no basis in science.
It is a hippy dippy, fear mongering scam, to frighten people into buying an inferior product for a much higher price.

Felt good to cut loose with that little rant, as this bit of first hand knowledge of the scam involved with at least one organic product has been chewing at my insides for years


Your experience is darn near identical to what I have found, and have observed first hand on the Fruit and produce side.

In the end, the legit operations are paying out the nose for all the Org. cert compliance crap, and are competing against Imported Chicom produce that has had zero third party verification due to Chineese govt. Regs, and Zero accountability once imported due to the rampant fraud that IS the Organic industry as a whole.
Last I heard, some 60% of the Organic produce sold in this country is chineese crap.

Then there's the hippies that get thier Cert, and essentially go off label without any chance of accountability.

Just last spring, some Organic Hippie Fraudster got busted for selling tainted(Had non Organic approved content) fertilizer to thousands of Organic producers.
Not a single Organic farm that bought and used that fertilizer was decertified, and worse, the state of Kalifornia DofA obstructed every effort to bust the guy for his fraud.

I have no issue with the Organic growers taking advantage of Idiots that are stupid enough to fall for the Lies and fraud.
I DO have a Major issue with the Organic industry constantly slandering and lying thier asses off about the supposed dangers of Non-Organic foods, and claiming us conventional fruit and produce growers are "Evil" and are "Killing children with greed", while marketing thier Chineese crap and claiming some sort of earth saving moral high ground.

There are three Organic producers near me. One is a friend of sorts. One is a U-Pick operation next door, run by a complete idiot that seems more than pleased to breed Maggot fly, Jap Beetles and Spotted wing Drosophelia for me to deal with.
I know damn well they are applying pesticides that are OMRI approved, but because of the total lack of standards and accountability, the content of the pesticides would not pass muster, and the EPA would likely frown on the crap as well. I actually take water, leaf, and soil samples and know what gets on those borders.
At the same time, they cannot control the pests effectively, and have become a breeding ground for them, resulting in those of us nearby having to deal with additional input costs or loss of grade, while applying pesticides more often. But let just one whiff of Immidan drift over on thier field, and it's lawsuit city.

Here's an interesting read. http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/organic.html

A little vid from an Organic industry pioneer and certified muckity muck, that is getting tired of the fraud in his own industry.
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=mischa%20popoff%20organic&so...

But like you stated. There is no field testing in the Organic industry, and there is no accountability. None.
And nothing but hatefull and damaging lies coming from the Organic side, intended to destroy honest growers that aren't making fallacious claims, while feeding the country.
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