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Bavaria/Germany | https://www.courthousenews.com/john-deere-accused-of-monopolizing-tr... |
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Cedar Rapids, Iowa | Are there *any* companies that make any kind of vehicle or equipment that provide the source code for the computers onboard their machines? As far as I can tell, they all use proprietary code and modules.
I'm not defending Deere here, I think all OEMs could do a better job of providing diagnostic information to the owner. There is a touch-screen display on just about everything these days - that's the perfect device to display diagnostic data.
CNH won't let owners update the firmware on a Pro 700. Why is that restricted to dealers? There is nothing special or difficult about firmware updates. At least Deere lets the end user do their own updates. |
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McCanna, ND | In the Chevy menu on the pickup it says they use open source software.
Software can be had these days, if you open your pocket book |
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NE SD | JAnderson - 1/13/2022 16:15 In the Chevy menu on the pickup it says they use open source software. Software can be had these days, if you open your pocket book
Except they aren't when it comes to ECMs, at least on the Diesels. |
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Ontario Canada | Chad H - 1/13/2022 16:19
JAnderson - 1/13/2022 16:15 In the Chevy menu on the pickup it says they use open source software. Software can be had these days, if you open your pocket book Except they aren't when it comes to ECMs, at least on the Diesels.
Ram is the same way, ECM's are locked, gas and diesel. |
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NE SD | mx270a - 1/13/2022 15:43 Are there *any* companies that make any kind of vehicle or equipment that provide the source code for the computers onboard their machines? As far as I can tell, they all use proprietary code and modules. I'm not defending Deere here, I think all OEMs could do a better job of providing diagnostic information to the owner. There is a touch-screen display on just about everything these days - that's the perfect device to display diagnostic data. CNH won't let owners update the firmware on a Pro 700. Why is that restricted to dealers? There is nothing special or difficult about firmware updates. At least Deere lets the end user do their own updates.
A good portion of the codes are listed right in the operator's manual. If it is a more serious one that isn't, a 5 minute phone call to my dealer will have the info needed. Deere also sells customer service advisor if you do commercial repairs. This whole thing is much ado about nothing and always has been. |
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| I can understand why they would want to encrypt some of it.
I mean who hasn’t turned of the seatbelt chime on a farm truck. |
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SW MN | Bend over, FARTHER, FARTHER , GRAB YOUR ANKLES! |
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Fruita CO | A 620 with a feed bucket on the exhaust...perfect example of a tractor that needs its ECM diagnosed...**** |
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Eastern ON | Can you hook a ODBII reader or equivalent to a modern tractor to pull codes? Or do you need a special dealer laptop with codes and subscription? |
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mercer county, il | Nailed it! The more comfortable and easy to operate things get, the more tech required.
We have tried and tried to find a middle ground, combines are the worst. |
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Moreauville LA | blowsand - 1/13/2022 18:57
Nailed it! The more comfortable and easy to operate things get, the more tech required.
We have tried and tried to find a middle ground, combines are the worst.
I agree. And many people have said if they would build a, for example a JD 4840 or 4960, I'd be the first to buy one. They don't because no one will buy them, caused by competition and obsolescence.
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ND | Survivor - 1/13/2022 07:10 blowsand - 1/13/2022 18:57 Nailed it! The more comfortable and easy to operate things get, the more tech required. We have tried and tried to find a middle ground, combines are the worst. I agree. And many people have said if they would build a, for example a JD 4840 or 4960, I'd be the first to buy one. They don't because no one will buy them, caused by competition and obsolescence.
I have a hard time believing you would go back to a 200 horse 2 wheel drive jerk-o-matic. |
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| ronm - 1/13/2022 19:30
A 620 with a feed bucket on the exhaust...perfect example of a tractor that needs its ECM diagnosed...****
That was my first thought as well. I hate when articles are put together by people who have no knowledge about what they are reporting on. |
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Wi | phishstik - 1/13/2022 18:47
Can you hook a ODBII reader or equivalent to a modern tractor to pull codes? Or do you need a special dealer laptop with codes and subscription?
OBDII is limited, it was created for emissions purposes.
Heavy trucks just started using it the past few years, again mandated for emissions. |
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NW KS/ SC ID | blowsand - 1/13/2022 17:57
Nailed it! The more comfortable and easy to operate things get, the more tech required.
We have tried and tried to find a middle ground, combines are the worst.
Out of all the combines on the market, I think a Gleaner is the last one that you can easily repower with a mechanical engine and the machine can still be engaged by a toggle switch wired in independently. Fan is a simple choke that can be cable controlled.
unfortunately they are fly by wire on the ground speed now, but up through the S8 series they still had a hydro cable and transmission cable.
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Moreauville LA | johnypop - 1/13/2022 20:53
Survivor - 1/13/2022 07:10 blowsand - 1/13/2022 18:57 Nailed it! The more comfortable and easy to operate things get, the more tech required. We have tried and tried to find a middle ground, combines are the worst. I agree. And many people have said if they would build a, for example a JD 4840 or 4960, I'd be the first to buy one. They don't because no one will buy them, caused by competition and obsolescence. I have a hard time believing you would go back to a 200 horse 2 wheel drive jerk-o-matic.
I wouldn't. Don't think you followed my line of thinking. |
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John Deere accused of monopolizing
