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D&M Farms
Posted 12/26/2015 18:30 (#4988715)
Subject: 800/900 IH cyclo planter vs. 7000/7200 Deere planters


Stoddard Co. SEMO		In conventional till, corn and soybeans which of these planters are more accurate and easiest to maintain? I have a 7100, 12 row Deere and its been a great planter. I have the chance to buy a 12 row, 30", 900 cyclo planter that is in great shape.
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Gro-Mor Farms
Posted 12/26/2015 18:48 (#4988753 - in reply to #4988715)
Subject: RE: 800/900 IH cyclo planter vs. 7000/7200 Deere planters


Western Ky.		Spacing will be somewhat better on the Deere. Depth accuracy and even emergence will somewhat better on the Cyclo in conventional tillage. Notill will be a completely different story.
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GrainTrader
Posted 12/26/2015 18:56 (#4988766 - in reply to #4988715)
Subject: RE: 800/900 IH cyclo planter vs. 7000/7200 Deere planters



20 Miles West of Indianapolis Indiana		I've only owned a Kinze 2600 (fancy Deere 7000) and also planted with a Deere 7000 12 R. For a person on a tighter budget, like myself, I find a Deere 7000 combined with adjustable meters, and a precision planting 20/20, tough to beat. Very simple.
Dads Deere 7000 is equipped with a aftermarket Contact Drive that makes it even simpler but cost more.
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CASE3594
Posted 12/26/2015 19:12 (#4988785 - in reply to #4988715)
Subject: RE: 800/900 IH cyclo planter vs. 7000/7200 Deere planters


Tuscola, IL		We traded a 7000 for an 800 cyclo about 4 years ago. Don't feel like we gave up anything. The accuracy is a little better on the deere like someone above said. I certainly wouldn't complain about our spacing though. Use the updated corn drum and keep a steady speed and the spacing is actually pretty good. We love being able to fill two hoppers and plant. Don't have any desire to go back to individual boxes.
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bharzman
Posted 12/27/2015 06:46 (#4989568 - in reply to #4988785)
Subject: RE: 800/900 IH cyclo planter vs. 7000/7200 Deere planters


North Central Kansas		x2!
Im glad someone said this.
12 boxes to fill, 12 to empty on green paint.
2 big drums to fill / empty on red.

no till. They work just fine. Just depends on what color you bleed and how picky you are
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Pat H
Posted 12/26/2015 19:14 (#4988794 - in reply to #4988715)
Subject: RE: 800/900 IH cyclo planter vs. 7000/7200 Deere planters


cropsey, il 61731		Spacing will not be as good with the 800/900 - seeds go down long tubes from the meter to the trench. Each seed is under the same force of air and so lighter seeds go faster and larger slower. Even in a JD planter precision planting showed that if a seed hit something in the drop tube the next seed could pass it up. It isn't always a factor in yield, but doubles and skips don't help. The unit itself does a good job of placement and the leading opener setup tends to cut through trash better and get down to depth better than V opener setups (so JD, kinze tend to at least have row cleaners and often coulters out front). IH seem to think just filling the seed trench with a couple of small disks and then lightly packing the dirt with a tire was better than JD/Kinzes pinch wheel system. Both are still in business so who knows.

The new 1200 Caseih planters are nice but are far more complex than a 7000/7200 JD.
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tn1086
Posted 12/26/2015 19:26 (#4988818 - in reply to #4988794)
Subject: RE: 800/900 IH cyclo planter vs. 7000/7200 Deere planters


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kinze12row
Posted 12/26/2015 19:40 (#4988845 - in reply to #4988818)
Subject: RE: 800/900 IH cyclo planter vs. 7000/7200 Deere planters


modesto il		even emergence more important than perfect spacing
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stampmaint1
Posted 12/26/2015 19:58 (#4988887 - in reply to #4988845)
Subject: RE: 800/900 IH cyclo planter vs. 7000/7200 Deere planters


nebraska		I have been planting with a 800 with some 900 upgrades. Last year, I was fed up with doubles and skips that comes with it. I bought a john deere 7200 vac planter to replace it with. I understand that the vac planters are far and above the accuracy of the IH. The 800 does have good emergence, but I feel that I must have better control of the spacing for better yields.
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4th GenerationFarmer
Posted 12/26/2015 19:58 (#4988886 - in reply to #4988715)
Subject: RE: 800/900 IH cyclo planter vs. 7000/7200 Deere planters


NWC Ohio		Look at the tires. The deere uses a narrower tire because its lighter. The Ih is a heavy sow in conventional, especially if wet or field was tilled in the fall. Ih will give you negitive tounge weight in field position while raising/lowering, and is verry heavy on the drawbar when in transport.( gotta have HD drawbar or drawbar support if its a pull type) Although I never ran an IH against a JD in the same no till field, the IH has a v opener following the opener blades. In dry notill conditions this just causes the ih row unit to not penetrate as well if you ever think you might consider no tilling with it. The two bulk seed boxes on the Ih are nice for filling and cleaning doing test plots.

Just my opinons/observations/dealings with them from my neck of the woods. Most around here are switching to green planters, or to quote one local IH dealer " we sell Kinze planters 3 to 1 over IH planters"
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Gro-Mor Farms
Posted 12/27/2015 07:20 (#4989596 - in reply to #4988886)
Subject: RE: 800/900 IH cyclo planter vs. 7000/7200 Deere planters


Western Ky.		If you have conditions where the Early Riser opener system won't penetrate the soil, I guarantee that the latest and greatest Deere won't either.
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Herbie56
Posted 12/26/2015 21:08 (#4989070 - in reply to #4988715)
Subject: RE: 800/900 IH cyclo planter vs. 7000/7200 Deere planters


Coles County, Illinois		After a 500, (2) 800's and a 900 I bought a used 7200 Vac because I either had doubles or skips with the IH planters. Maybe with the new monitors one could adjust a 900 planter not to have skips or doubles. Depth control with the IH's is better especially if you have to run faster than 5 mph.
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packerfan
Posted 12/26/2015 21:42 (#4989172 - in reply to #4988715)
Subject: RE: 800/900 IH cyclo planter vs. 7000/7200 Deere planters


Western illinois		The Cyclo planter is one of the most maintenance free planters I ever owned. They are really simple and dependable. Corn spacing isn't perfect, but correct brush settings and seed size can make them very respectable. You will plant more acres in a day with a Cyclo as compared to any box planter with finger units. A Cyclo would be a great no till bean planter.
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German Shepherd
Posted 12/26/2015 21:55 (#4989206 - in reply to #4988715)
Subject: RE: 800/900 IH cyclo planter vs. 7000/7200 Deere planters


I had a 900 for many years before going to a 950.   The story that a Cyclo can't space as good as a JD is a myth.   A Cyclo can be tweaked to space seed very accurately and the CIH row unit is far superior to a JD.   Cyclo planters are very simple to work on also, and the bulk fill is a great thing as well.

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gt5
Posted 12/27/2015 06:40 (#4989562 - in reply to #4989206)
Subject: RE: 800/900 IH cyclo planter vs. 7000/7200 Deere planters


Sheep Herder - 12/26/2015 21:55

I had a 900 for many years before going to a 950.   The story that a Cyclo can't space as good as a JD is a myth.   A Cyclo can be tweaked to space seed very accurately and the CIH row unit is far superior to a JD.   Cyclo planters are very simple to work on also, and the bulk fill is a great thing as well.

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bharzman
Posted 12/27/2015 06:48 (#4989569 - in reply to #4989562)
Subject: RE: 800/900 IH cyclo planter vs. 7000/7200 Deere planters


North Central Kansas		.
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German Shepherd
Posted 12/27/2015 13:55 (#4990398 - in reply to #4989562)
Subject: RE: 800/900 IH cyclo planter vs. 7000/7200 Deere planters


I added body molding strips between the rows of holes on the corn drum.   This keeps the cutoff wheels from bouncing.  One could also buy the new style double dimple drum, but that costs a lot more money.   Next, if it has the shaft turning to drive the insecticide boxes, cut the shaft so it only drives the seed drum.   Some are configured differently and use a separate drive, but at any rate, reduce the resistance that turns the drum so it's nice and steady.

Then make sure there is no flopping of the seed tubes, get a nice steady shot to the row unit.   Run low air pressure to the seed doesn't ricochet in the tubes.

Probably a few other tricks that I've done over the years that I've forgotten about.

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pbutler
Posted 12/27/2015 07:39 (#4989626 - in reply to #4989206)
Subject: RE: 800/900 IH cyclo planter vs. 7000/7200 Deere planters



Macon, IL		If they can space as well I don't know why most that run them don't do that fix then.

Based on spacing I can tell a cyclo planted field of corn without getting out of the car. There used to be a ton of them here-pretty scarce now.

I wouldn't flinch at one as a bean planter.

Edited by pbutler 12/27/2015 07:39
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Illinois Farmer Jim
Posted 12/27/2015 09:07 (#4989822 - in reply to #4989626)
Subject: RE: 800/900 IH cyclo planter vs. 7000/7200 Deere planters



N.W. Illinois		I have no experience with the Deere planters but we have run Cyclone planters on our small no-till operation since 1991. Two years ago I upgraded the old 800 to a 955. The spacing with 955 the first year was not good at all. Last year we replaced the seed tubes and properly routed them unlike the previous owner. In addition, we tuned the drive system to ensure we had no slop. The spacing for the 2015 season was very respectable and a challenge to see much difference between the neighbors Deere planter.
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7150
Posted 12/26/2015 23:47 (#4989426 - in reply to #4988715)
Subject: RE: 800/900 IH cyclo planter vs. 7000/7200 Deere planters



With the Cyclo, you can change from corn to beans, 100% clean-out, in about 20 minutes. A lot less than that if you hurry.
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farmer82
Posted 12/27/2015 07:25 (#4989602 - in reply to #4989426)
Subject: RE: 800/900 IH cyclo planter vs. 7000/7200 Deere planters


S.E. Iowa		I went from a 800 to a 7000. The Deere pulls easier and is twice as wide as the IH was, spacing better, much more to be maintained. I would love to go back to a red one.
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sj3788
Posted 12/27/2015 10:19 (#4989974 - in reply to #4988715)
Subject: RE: 800/900 IH cyclo planter vs. 7000/7200 Deere planters


swohio		Here is my take. Ran White planters for close to 30 years. Great planters and great spacing. Love them. Went from 8 row White to a 12 row IH 900 RHF. On this type of folding bar, the IH boxes are more in the middle of the rows, I think that helps spacing on the outside rows. A six row is right in the middle. Love 2 boxes vs. 12, for me a big time saver. I swear, and I don't have a side by side of this, that my yields are just as good as the White. I bought the IH because that is what I could afford 5 years ago. I don't feel that that I have lost any yield what so ever, the planter and units are very easy to work on, and simple to set. Yes there is some things like the newer drum that seem to help my spacing this year. I have used it in both conventional and no-till. Plants great whatever way you need. I would take the IH over the JD in a heartbeat.
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stampmaint1
Posted 12/27/2015 14:33 (#4990474 - in reply to #4989974)
Subject: RE: 800/900 IH cyclo planter vs. 7000/7200 Deere planters


nebraska		Good news for farmers who would rather have the IH over the JD they now have. You can sell the JD and with the money from that sale you can buy 2 IH planters. The market speaks for itself.
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rambo
Posted 12/27/2015 11:15 (#4990096 - in reply to #4988715)
Subject: RE: 800/900 IH cyclo planter vs. 7000/7200 Deere planters



Remsen, Iowa

Years ago, (early 90's?) I did a side by side with a IH 500 and a JD 7000. It was is the other guys field. I pulled in and put his seed in my 500, then made a round. In the fall it was weighed.The 500 was 2 BPA better.

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