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gleanerman
Posted 5/15/2011 10:42 (#1775688)
Subject: International Cyclo air planters good or bad?


NE Indiana
I currently have a Johndeere 1250 plate type planter and I m looking to upgrade to a better planter I would really like to go to a finger pickup type planter of the same model but they are pretty hard to find around here. There are however plenty of International Cyclo air planters that ar around here for about the price range Im in for looking to spend. My neighbor has a 400 cyclo air planter and he pretty well likes it but I have learned in past years to never trust one mans judgement. So I was looking to see what other opinions are out there good or bad. thanks

Edited by gleanerman 5/15/2011 10:43
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Topshot
Posted 5/15/2011 10:57 (#1775714 - in reply to #1775688)
Subject: Re: International Cyclo air planters good or bad?


Near Richmond, IN
I think you would be better off with at least an 800 model or newer. They made some changes in the drum setup on the 800 that made it work a lot better and the row units on the 800 on up were excellent. I had an 800 that I bought the first year out and when I traded planters in 2006 I would have bought another one of them if they still made them.
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gleanerman
Posted 5/15/2011 11:01 (#1775723 - in reply to #1775714)
Subject: Re: International Cyclo air planters good or bad?


NE Indiana
Yeah I have been looking at the 800s and they just look like they would do a better job
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farmerpete2400
Posted 5/15/2011 11:04 (#1775728 - in reply to #1775714)
Subject: Re: International Cyclo air planters good or bad?



West Central, IL
I would defiantly go with a 800 over a 400. All the 400's I have seen still have a runner on them for opening the seed trench. The 800's have the double disk openers. The 800's can be set up for not till and are a lot more up to date. Just my opinion.
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Gerald J.
Posted 5/15/2011 21:44 (#1777016 - in reply to #1775728)
Subject: Re: International Cyclo air planters good or bad?



My 400s have double opener disks. Good at counting, lousy at spacing. 6 row took all the power and traction of my MF-135 which loafs pulling a 4 row 7000 doing no till.

Gerald J.
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hillrunner
Posted 5/15/2011 11:04 (#1775729 - in reply to #1775688)
Subject: Re: International Cyclo air planters good or bad?


We have an 800 that we like ok. The population remains very consistent although the seed spacing is not exact.
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packerfan
Posted 5/15/2011 11:11 (#1775741 - in reply to #1775688)
Subject: RE: International Cyclo air planters good or bad?


Western illinois
very simple and accurate planters. they got a bad rap for poor
seed spacing, but personally i think that was overblown. i owned
a 500 and then a 900. most maintenance free planters made imo.
i now run a 1200 that is awesome. same basic row unit as the older
ones. have to run slow with finger pickups and much more maintenance.
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65SuperSport
Posted 5/15/2011 11:19 (#1775751 - in reply to #1775741)
Subject: Re: International Cyclo air planters good or bad?


900 corn planter, 800 20 inch bean planter here. Spacing is the only downside on corn. for beans it couldn't get any better. like counting out the seeds one at a time. population on the money. The planter units themselves are what all the rest want to be when they grow up.!!!!!!!!!!!!
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CaseFarmer
Posted 5/15/2011 11:28 (#1775774 - in reply to #1775751)
Subject: Re: International Cyclo air planters good or bad?


Flora IL
Great planters. I like the hrf ones especially.

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kinze12row
Posted 5/15/2011 14:09 (#1776100 - in reply to #1775741)
Subject: RE: International Cyclo air planters good or bad?


modesto il

packerfan - 5/15/2011 10:11 very simple and accurate planters. they got a bad rap for poor seed spacing, but personally i think that was overblown. i owned a 500 and then a 900. most maintenance free planters made imo. i now run a 1200 that is awesome. same basic row unit as the older ones. have to run slow with finger pickups and much more maintenance.



i agree with packerfan the poor seed spacing is crap when you are planting 35000 per acre perfect spacing is not a big deal
i had 800 900 and 955 and sure miss the central fill and the row unit have a kinze now and corn does not yield any more than
with it and it wont plant beans near as good and as a red one

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Illinois Steve
Posted 5/15/2011 11:28 (#1775776 - in reply to #1775688)
Subject: RE: International Cyclo air planters good or bad?


North Central Illinois
Bad. As compared to the job a Deere 7000 or a White will do. They put the seed in the ground and get the pop you want but the spacing is terrible. If you are determined to get one I would go to at least the 900 series. Those planters can be made to plant pretty decent but it takes some time and know how by the guy setting it up. I can only think of one Cyclo planter left in our community. The rest are Deere's, Whites, Kinzes, and several of the CIH 1200 series which appear to be an excellent planter. Back when there were a lot of those planters in the area two guys with the same planter would get totally different results. One guy would get pretty decent results while the other would be horrible. Its all in the setup and operation. Frankly I think a lot of guys stuck with the old Cyclones because they couldn't bear the thought of "having to fill all those boxes". They had this idea that if they went to a different brand of planter it was going to be so much harder to fill the planter. I never understood that. How is standing on the ground dumping bags of corn into a box harder than climbing on top of a planter and dumping all the bags into one hopper? If you are talking bulk seed that is different but in the day of those planters no one was using bulk seed to speak of. Yes, it will plant your corn but there are much better options out there. Be patient.
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packerfan
Posted 5/15/2011 11:46 (#1775804 - in reply to #1775776)
Subject: RE: International Cyclo air planters good or bad?


Western illinois
have you owned a planter without individual boxes? if so, i don't
understand your thinking. if not, you need to. why would you want
to spend time with a coffee can or whatever to finish planting a
hybrid, when you can feed several rows with one box? i had a white
and it did a good job, but there is no way all boxes empty at the same
time, period. i always got more acres a day with a bulk fill planter.
no contest.
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Illinois Steve
Posted 5/15/2011 11:56 (#1775824 - in reply to #1775804)
Subject: RE: International Cyclo air planters good or bad?


North Central Illinois
Yes, we had a piece of crap 400 in the day. Went to individual boxes and never looked back. I never really had much of an issue with boxes feeding down at exactly the same time. Unless doing a plot or something the next variety goes in on top of what is already in there. 90 percent of the time there is very little left in each of the boxes. I don't feel I lose much if any planting time in a day because I run individual boxes. What little time I lose planting is more than made up for in uniform seed spacing. Yes, seed spacing does matter. A lot! I often wonder how many injuries over the years have been attributed to the Cyclo planter. I can think of several guys around here that suffered various injuries from falling off of their planters while filling. To each his own. As long as you are happy. I am really happy with the route I went.
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packerfan
Posted 5/15/2011 13:29 (#1776037 - in reply to #1775824)
Subject: RE: International Cyclo air planters good or bad?


Western illinois
I'm afraid the 400 soured many people on the cyclo. The 800 and
later were an excellent planter. I may still own my old 900 if it
would've had hydraulic fold. The person who bought it still runs
it and does an excellent job. As you say, to each his own.
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Minor Family Farms
Posted 5/15/2011 14:05 (#1776096 - in reply to #1776037)
Subject: RE: International Cyclo air planters good or bad?


Kingston, Ohio
packerfan - 5/15/2011 13:29

I'm afraid the 400 soured many people on the cyclo. The 800 and
later were an excellent planter.


I agree. We run a 1200 now but we ran a 900 up until last year. Greatest planter I have ever owned. I have talked with several guys who own the individual box planters and they hate them. I can pull up to my planter and be loaded and in the field within ten minutes (bulk). There is now way you could do that with individual boxes. It would probably take that amount of time to open all of the boxes.

As far as seed spacing is concerned if we were trying to drop 36k we would usually average about 35.5k. If you want any more accuarcy than that just buy a 1200. The 900 we owned did take a little time to go from field to road but 10 - 15 minutes max.

Good solid machines that I wouldn't be afraid to roll across the feild today.
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Jon S
Posted 5/15/2011 15:02 (#1776200 - in reply to #1775804)
Subject: RE: International Cyclo air planters good or bad?



packerfan - 5/15/2011 11:46

there is no way all boxes empty at the same
time, period. i always got more acres a day with a bulk fill planter.
no contest.


That's true.


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SJ@Farmacres
Posted 5/15/2011 12:01 (#1775833 - in reply to #1775776)
Subject: Re: International Cyclo air planters good or bad?


South Africa
I can never understand the isseu with spacing on the cyclos. Used to have a 1750 Deere, after 3 years i just couldn't take bent row units and seed meter isseus any more, after the second year it seemed that I just could not get two swaths with all rows planting within 10 000 plants of each other.
Bought a second hand 955, had spacing problems, made sure seed drum is round and seal is good, replaced lid seal and the few bearings on the seed drive, have had better spacing than any of the neighbours deeres older than 1 year ever since, for the last 8 years.

Oh yes, and no more mud plugging the %&^£$* POS "treu v" openers just because the disc an bearing is not brand new...
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Illinois Steve
Posted 5/15/2011 12:24 (#1775883 - in reply to #1775833)
Subject: Re: International Cyclo air planters good or bad?


North Central Illinois
This is the third Deere vac planter we have had and have ALWAYS had way better spacing than any of the Cyclos in the neighborhood. I will grant you that I always suspected that many of the guys that ran those planters did not take the time to do the things you describe to make sure they got the most out of the planter. I think a lot of them probably just drug them out of the shed and went to the field. So I am willing to admit that a lot of the problem could well be operator error. As far as bent row units or whatever we are not in the habit of running over things that will bend a row unit. Never been an issue. We generally don't run in mud either. Guys with finger pickup meters will not have consistent spacing without having the meters calibrated every year either. So, a lot of it does depend on the operator.
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RICK NCMD
Posted 5/15/2011 13:15 (#1776005 - in reply to #1775883)
Subject: Re: International Cyclo air planters good or bad?



Gee Steve, north central illynoy must be the perfect place to plant a crop. But not stand on a bulk fill planter. Two red planters purchased here in the last 30 years. First cyclo easily did its 20 years, and the 1240 pt will easily do the next 14 that it has left of its 20 year tour.
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Pofarmer
Posted 5/15/2011 13:22 (#1776025 - in reply to #1776005)
Subject: Re: International Cyclo air planters good or bad?



Obviously, you've not been informed that you must update every 2 years at least to get all the latest and greatest updates.
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RICK NCMD
Posted 5/15/2011 13:29 (#1776040 - in reply to #1776025)
Subject: Re: International Cyclo air planters good or bad?



Yeah I enjoy going thru life ignorant and uninformed. But atleast I have some cash in my pocket.
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Illinois Steve
Posted 5/15/2011 14:16 (#1776112 - in reply to #1776005)
Subject: Re: International Cyclo air planters good or bad?


North Central Illinois
It is a pretty nice place to live and farm thanks. I have been really impressed with the 1200 series planters. There have been more new red planters sold in this area since the 1200's came out. I never had anything against the red row units. The rest of the machine is another matter. We had a CIH dealer around here in the late 80's that also farmed a fair amount. Well not long after the Deere vac planters came out they ended up with one on their farm. They claimed they took it in on trade and couldn't sell it. Funny thing was nobody ever saw it on their lot or could find out where it came from. They ran that planter until the 1200's came out. Go figure.
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RICK NCMD
Posted 5/15/2011 14:25 (#1776131 - in reply to #1776112)
Subject: Re: International Cyclo air planters good or bad?



If the controls and electronics of a 1200PT could be mated up with a new and improved cyclo unit, then I might would need to trade my 1200 a little early. It just boggles my mind as to how guys can be blinded by a company and buy anything they push out the door. And swear it was the best thing they ever ran. There is none as blind as he who will not see.
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Minor Family Farms
Posted 5/15/2011 14:37 (#1776156 - in reply to #1776131)
Subject: Re: International Cyclo air planters good or bad?


Kingston, Ohio
RICK NCMD - 5/15/2011 14:25
It just boggles my mind as to how guys can be blinded by a company and buy anything they push out the door. And swear it was the best thing they ever ran. There is none as blind as he who will not see.


Well when a planter is on your farm for over 20 years and does an excellent job why buy anything else. The 900 was as good a planter as any other if not better for it's day. I would also put my 1200 up against any Deere or Kinze. There is nothing wrong with building relationships with a company and them selling you a quality product year after year.
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Jon S
Posted 5/15/2011 14:55 (#1776192 - in reply to #1776156)
Subject: Re: International Cyclo air planters good or bad?



My next corn planter will either be a CaseIH or Kinze (like the transport width)...assuming that I can find one that's 3/4's used up. Time to build a new relationship. LOL.


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RICK NCMD
Posted 5/15/2011 15:05 (#1776204 - in reply to #1776156)
Subject: Re: International Cyclo air planters good or bad?



They dont have to sell me a quality product year after year, just a quality product that they support and will perform year after year, when I choose to buy. Im not seeing that support from any company in todays market. Honesty, Quality and Support is quickly becoming a myth.
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rambo
Posted 5/15/2011 13:47 (#1776070 - in reply to #1775883)
Subject: Re: International Cyclo air planters good or bad?



Remsen, Iowa
When I did a side by side in the early 1990's with a JD 7000 and a IH 500, my 500 planter had a 2 BPA higher yield than the 7000.
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7150
Posted 5/15/2011 14:54 (#1776190 - in reply to #1776070)
Subject: Re: International Cyclo air planters good or bad?



BINGO !!

Last I saw, KSU decided spacing wasn't nearly as important as they used to preach, but EVEN emergence was. I was out-yielding my neighbor's 5 year corn average planted with his 7000 Deere with my old 400 30+ years ago. Drove him nuts !
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Illinois Steve
Posted 5/15/2011 15:07 (#1776208 - in reply to #1776190)
Subject: Re: International Cyclo air planters good or bad?


North Central Illinois
Of course even spacing is important. If you drop one seed next to the other one of them is going to be a runt. It's that simple.
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idea1947
Posted 5/15/2011 16:26 (#1776346 - in reply to #1776208)
Subject: Re: International Cyclo air planters good or bad?


Granted you want to avoid two seeds together, but with the long seed runs on the cyclo planters, you tend to get some spacing on those doubles.
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2+2, MN
Posted 5/15/2011 16:38 (#1776367 - in reply to #1776346)
Subject: Re: International Cyclo air planters good or bad?


New Ulm, MN
what doubles? its very rare for my 800 to put out more then 36 seeds per rev, and when it does its only 37. once in a great while its 35, if it starts doing that to often i know my zip tie broke and the brush is wipeing seeds off.
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7150
Posted 5/15/2011 16:27 (#1776348 - in reply to #1776208)
Subject: Re: International Cyclo air planters good or bad?



From a K-State Research and Extension piece published in the K-State Collegian March 29th, 2011

http://www.kstatecollegian.com/news/uniform-corn-emergence-importan...

"Getting good stand uniformity is also a good goal for producers, but it has less effect on yield than uniformity of emergence, the K-State agronomists said.
“Try to obtain plant spacings that are as consistent as possible, but don’t become overly anxious about it provided the typical spacing between plants is within 2 to 3 inches of the desired plant spacing and the final population is not substantially lower than what was desired,” Roozeboom said.
Duncan has been studying corn plant populations and stand uniformity the past few years. His results indicate little yield reduction from non-uniform stands as long as the final population is within 15 percent of the target population.
kansas state collegian"

I would have to say this also supports my limited experience over 40 years.
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Pofarmer
Posted 5/15/2011 22:22 (#1777098 - in reply to #1776348)
Subject: Re: International Cyclo air planters good or bad?



You are correcr. I'll try to get some pictures this week of corn ssnds behind CaseIH, deere, kinze, white, and maybe a duetz allis.
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farmerpete2400
Posted 5/15/2011 12:51 (#1775965 - in reply to #1775776)
Subject: RE: International Cyclo air planters good or bad?



West Central, IL
All this talk on poor seed spacing, heck I would take proper seed depth any day over seed spacing. They both can get proper seed depth, but a cyclo will do it from the factory. You have to add stuff to Deere or Kinze planters to get it. I have a Kinze planter, and I am really questioning why I haven't switched to a late model cyclo.

Most people who bad mouth cyclo planters have not owned one. Your 400 that you had in the day is not the same as a 800-955 planter.
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Illinois Steve
Posted 5/15/2011 13:21 (#1776020 - in reply to #1775965)
Subject: RE: International Cyclo air planters good or bad?


North Central Illinois
Yes, depth is very important. Never had any problem with consistent seed depth on either of our 7200's or the 1770. Seed spacing is just as important. With today's higher pops seed spacing is very important.
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German Shepherd
Posted 5/15/2011 12:22 (#1775877 - in reply to #1775688)
Subject: RE: International Cyclo air planters good or bad?


I started out with a 900 and currently have a 950.  I honestly feel they are an excellent planter.

The myth that a cyclo won't space correctly was just some BS started by competing planter builders.  Same BS goes for the guy in Kansas who sells planter attachments and doesn't like the RID tires on a cyclo.  Nothing compares to the row units on a CIH planter for getting a good seed trench.

If you do buy your neighbors 400, make certain you have the hitch set high enough on the planter so that the seed gets to the back of drum.  With the drum on the backside and the hitch running low, only some seed gets to the way back row on the drum and then you have skips.  I've seen it happen more then once.

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BBfarms
Posted 5/15/2011 13:44 (#1776067 - in reply to #1775688)
Subject: Good planter....


SE Michigan
Been using mine for years, like the center fill, good depth, can no-till very easly and is fairly trouble free. And parts are reasonable.

My 800 is updated to a 900 (off-set closing discs)




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Newguy
Posted 5/15/2011 13:51 (#1776074 - in reply to #1775688)
Subject: RE: International Cyclo air planters good or bad?


WC MN

We run a 955 next to a 1200.......

I wouldn't suggest a cyclo before the 800 series.   900 is better, 955 is just a sniff better than the 900.

Your buying what is commonly referred to as a "blow jobber" planter.   If you decide this is what you want, you have to promise yourself you will every year check ALL items that interact with AIR.    SEALS around the top of the boxes.  SEALS around the seed drums.  ALL HOSES and SEED TUBES down to the trench (we replaced 4 of them this winter due to holes worn in em, our spacing wasn't great last year).    If there is ANY air escapes, you are GUARANTEED to have seed spacing problems.   Look em over, and look em over often.

We hired a crop scout one year, he checked all our corn spacing.    We changed some things with liquid fert on our 1200 series.   He found every acre where the 12-30 955 planted compared to the 1200-24-30 just by spacing......  The 955 was right on, the next year the liquid fert pump that ran off our seed meter shaft on the 1200 got changed to a ground drive....   The crop scout also farmed, he had a new Deere (this was 6 years ago)..... He said the 955 planted better than his..... (he put E-sets in the next year)

Long story short:  Dont be afraid of the Blow jobbers, but promise yourself you will monitor ALL things that air flows through.   They are a good planter.  Don't be afraid, unless you don't want to promise yourself to look over all things containing air flow.



Edited by Newguy 5/15/2011 13:53
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Dave Cen.Ia
Posted 5/15/2011 14:51 (#1776184 - in reply to #1776074)
Subject: RE: International Cyclo air planters good or bad?



Nevada, Iowa
Very well said! I ran an 800 for years and decided to trade about eight years ago to a 1760 Deere. I wanted to put on row cleaners and I thought the Deere just lent itself better to attachments, still do, and my 800 was due to be rebuilt. The 1760 is a vac and I was very dissappointed in the spacing it gave me compared to the 800. I think the 1760 spaced slighty better but it was not enough difference to live on. I later put esets in the Deere and have been very pleased with that change. Bottom line- I like the Deere but if it had to go down the road I wouldn't be afraid to look at anything red had to offer in a planter, new or old. The only thing I really didn't care for on the 800 was the closing system, many do not share my opinion on this topic, however.
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farmerkirk
Posted 5/15/2011 14:53 (#1776188 - in reply to #1775688)
Subject: Re: International Cyclo air planters good or bad?


SC Kansas
I replaced all the seed tubes and put some body molding between the dimples on the corn drum on our 12R 900 this year. Now I'm very satisfied with it. Not picket fence spacing but, very tolerable and my corn was up 4 or 5 days sooner than the neighbors green, central fill, precision metered planter that cost 10 times what mine is worth.
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Orange fever
Posted 5/15/2011 15:21 (#1776245 - in reply to #1776188)
Subject: Re: International Cyclo air planters good or bad?


cedar rapids, ia.
Had an 800 for many years, got a 2600 Kinze now. The only reason for the Kinze was narrow row beans,( got rid of a drill). The 800 was fine, paid attention to the drum, brush and air pressure and it planted fine. Speed doesn't effect population like with the Kinze. has more population selection than the Kinze. One box is much easier to fill than individual boxes. When finishing you can plant the IH down to a coffee can total remaining, not the Kinze. Less moving parts and less maintenence, would make the IH an easy choice for me.
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gleanerman
Posted 5/15/2011 15:40 (#1776276 - in reply to #1776245)
Subject: Re: International Cyclo air planters good or bad?


NE Indiana
Thank you guys for your imput and letting me know what to watch out for on the Cyclo air planters. opinions of people who use these planters and wven those who dont but support that they are just as good as the next thing. you all have made my decisions much easier in a short amount of time. I have heard all the bad mouthing of the cyclos and just figured that people werent paying attention to the air systems and knowing that if there is a hole, plug it, or a bad seal, replace it. IH may have been alittle ahead of theyre time in producing a air planter but it was a right step inthe right direction cause it got other companys thinking. Once again thank you all for your imput
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2+2, MN
Posted 5/15/2011 16:43 (#1776375 - in reply to #1776245)
Subject: Re: International Cyclo air planters good or bad?


New Ulm, MN
right on, If i want 32000 per acres, i do the math and pour in the central hopper what i need, 99 times out 100 i have only the seed left in the drum when i change numbers. Takes less then min to pull drum dump it out and put it back, how long to clean the seed out of a 4 row boxes? some time pouring seed on top wont work (RR to LL to Conv)
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Chris22
Posted 5/15/2011 21:51 (#1777029 - in reply to #1776375)
Subject: Re: International Cyclo air planters good or bad?


Wisconsin
We just purchased a 900 this year and it seems to be doing a great job so far! Hopefully we think the same thing when the corn comes up!
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7150
Posted 5/15/2011 16:44 (#1776379 - in reply to #1776245)
Subject: Re: International Cyclo air planters good or bad?



I'm having a lot of trouble convincing myself to update from my old 800 HRF that needs NO talc/graphite, laptop computer for service, nor a Hi-Flo hydraulic system to operate.

Also, my old 800 HRF has extremely even weight distribution for those wet field conditions we've been forced to deal with these last four seasons. It floats on wet soils very well when I have too. It seems the new red, blue and green central fills put excessive weight on the main lift wheels and require far more tractive effort and power to pull.

The latest seed drum release wheel's rubber composition is a remarkable improvement over the old composition and allows the drums to turn MUCH smoother. If you haven't replaced these lately, I think many would be impressed with the spacing improvement.

Many may not agree, but the 900 series staggered closing disks actually greatly degraded my seed trench, so I changed them back to the 800 style closers. Solved a problem for me.
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Illinois Steve
Posted 5/15/2011 17:38 (#1776467 - in reply to #1776379)
Subject: Re: International Cyclo air planters good or bad?


North Central Illinois
No doubt about it. Planters have gotten excessively heavy.
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Mike SE IL
Posted 5/15/2011 18:06 (#1776524 - in reply to #1775688)
Subject: RE: International Cyclo air planters good or bad?



West Union, Illinois

We've had Cyclo's in various forms for ... Well. I someplace have a photo of Dad going to plant beans with a plate planter when I was coming in from Prom in 1973.  I think that was the last season before the air planter arrived. I am currently using a 1770 Deere vac.

I need to explain, Dad ran the planter.  I barely knew how to unfold it until his cancer diagnosis.  I got a crash course in planting and planter operation.

I loved everything about the HRF 900 ... how it folded, how it transported, how it worked, how the markers worked, filling only 2 hoppers for 16 rows ... except seed spacing.  It made it really easy walking across a field because you just weaved back and forth through the gaps in the row.  Knowing what I've learned since then I think I could have made it better by not listening to Dad.  He insisted we had to use large rounds, the larger the better.  I think that contributed as much to our problem as anything.

One thing that affect our decision is we grow seed production.  It's really difficult planting a male every 5th row with a Cyclo. Would I buy a new one today if it were available?  I'd have to think strongly about it. Would I suggest you buy one?  I'd say consider it, but listen closely to the advice you have been given.  The biggest problem with them is they are so simple that when you have a problem it is difficult to figure out.

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RICK NCMD
Posted 5/15/2011 18:16 (#1776549 - in reply to #1776524)
Subject: RE: International Cyclo air planters good or bad?



I found that medium flats/flat 2s seemed to plant the best.
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Illinois Steve
Posted 5/15/2011 20:44 (#1776855 - in reply to #1776549)
Subject: RE: International Cyclo air planters good or bad?


North Central Illinois
yep. That's what I used to sell guys who had the cycles. MFs are pretty forgiving in most everything.
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7150
Posted 5/15/2011 18:17 (#1776552 - in reply to #1776524)
Subject: RE: International Cyclo air planters good or bad?



You are exactly right Mike. Large rounds were the seed size that International recommended. I DON"T KNOW WHY ! Smaller seed is FAR better. Small to medium flats are the best for mine, but any type of small seed is preferable. Large heavy seed is the worst.
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Topshot
Posted 5/15/2011 21:08 (#1776920 - in reply to #1776524)
Subject: Re: International Cyclo air planters good or bad?


Near Richmond, IN
Mike, we planted seed corn for many years with a cyclo. We only planted males in the outside rows and if they were planted at the same time we had plate units that mounted on those rows and then just ran a band around the drum. Maybe you did it the same except couldn't do it because of the row spacing, but with 2 and 6 it worked great. And yes, big rounds were the worst.
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2+2, MN
Posted 5/16/2011 13:10 (#1777934 - in reply to #1776524)
Subject: Re: International Cyclo air planters good or bad?


New Ulm, MN
yup,seed to large, Med Rounds work the best. IH did make a Seed speical with the cyclo for the females and plate planter row unit for the males rows.
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trakman
Posted 5/15/2011 19:17 (#1776700 - in reply to #1775688)
Subject: Re: International Cyclo air planters good or bad?


Central Kansas
Have I got the only 950 out there? Don't think anyone mentioned a 950 in this LONG thread!

What is the difference between a 900 and 950?
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7150
Posted 5/16/2011 15:17 (#1778061 - in reply to #1776700)
Subject: Re: International Cyclo air planters good or bad?



I think SheepHerder had one listed above.
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TP from Central PA
Posted 5/15/2011 19:40 (#1776740 - in reply to #1775688)
Subject: Don't believe everything you hear


We bought a 400 at a sale for $200 mostly because it was too nice to pass up. Around here they have a pretty bad reputation. Got it home, asked on red power on what to do to make it preform, and a few guys who were very well versed on them helped me along. After it was all said and done, I was a believer. They are very simple and work if you are fussy about setting them up. We even put plateless seed through it and had a good out come. About the only thing I didn't like was the drum was on the rear on the 4/500's, which was fixed in the 800's and later. If I had a need for a planter, I'd buy an 800 or newer and set it up for my needs. They can and will work. We planted corn one year for our neighbors when they got behind with their NI(Kinze), and we ran right along side them in the same field and you couldn't tell the difference when the corn was up. The row untils on the 800's and up are awesome, and for beans they are about as good as you can get IMO. Now I am around JD planters where I work and miss alot of the nice features of the cyclo's.................Mostly row units and the bulk fill!
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barren
Posted 5/15/2011 21:05 (#1776912 - in reply to #1775688)
Subject: RE: International Cyclo air planters good or bad?


Glasgow, Ky

We run an 800 on one farm and a 900 on another farm due to distance between the farms.  Nice not to have to move the planter over 50 miles.  The 800 had a set of Yetter no till coulters on it when we got it but we removed them as the planter did a better job no tilling for us without them.  

We have been running Cyclo's for many years and the best thing we did was put seed firmers, notched closing disc's and strips on the drums.  They are a simple planter that will do an excellent job planting corn and beans if they are set up and maintained properly.  For the money there is nothing better in my opinion.     

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beryboss
Posted 5/15/2011 22:10 (#1777073 - in reply to #1775688)
Subject: Re: International Cyclo air planters good or bad?


South western ont
Late model 800 has the 900 updates. The tell is silver paint on the rims, tires, press wheels and pack wheel.
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beryboss
Posted 5/15/2011 22:12 (#1777079 - in reply to #1775688)
Subject: Re: International Cyclo air planters good or bad?


South western ont
Late model 800 has the 900 updates. The tell is silver paint on the rims, tires, press wheels and pack wheel.
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starvation
Posted 5/16/2011 15:47 (#1778084 - in reply to #1777079)
Subject: Re: International Cyclo air planters good or bad?


mn
I got a 955 mt 12x30 and love it, do not want a differant planter, this one has been rebuilt a few yrs ago. like said before the ol 400 gave the blow planter a bad name, I started with a 400, then a 500 then moved up to a 800 then rebuilt to a 900 now I've had this 955 for 15 plus yrs and when it needs to be rebuilt agian I will.
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