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Aminnesotofarmer
Posted 1/23/2024 13:05 (#10589485)
Subject: AMS on Soybeans


How many people out there use AMS on their soybeans? Is it necessary to use a whole 100lbs per acre? Could I achieve the same results with liquid AMS applied with pre herb pass? Just curious about people thoughts. I have experimented a little with no definitive results.
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Moose333
Posted 1/23/2024 13:12 (#10589495 - in reply to #10589485)
Subject: RE: AMS on Soybeans


NW Wisconsin		Calsol or Am Thio. Save the AMS for the corn
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Walton Farms
Posted 1/23/2024 18:03 (#10589904 - in reply to #10589495)
Subject: RE: AMS on Soybeans



SW Indiana
Moose333 - 1/23/2024 14:12

Save the AMS for the corn


Agree with this, here we use KMag or Sul4r-Plus
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Soil Guy
Posted 1/23/2024 13:42 (#10589539 - in reply to #10589485)
Subject: RE: AMS on Soybeans


Sulfur is important for nodule formation so getting some out early is a good idea whether it’s dry or liquid. I would do at least the 100 lb rate of AMS. Just my opinion.
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humblefarmer
Posted 1/23/2024 14:13 (#10589579 - in reply to #10589485)
Subject: RE: AMS on Soybeans


indiana		You need to test it for yourself on your ground. I know people who have stated a 6-8 bushel per acre increase. We have tested it a few times and couldn’t get those results.
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mohr-power
Posted 1/23/2024 14:16 (#10589584 - in reply to #10589485)
Subject: RE: AMS on Soybeans


West-Central IL

Dr. Shaun Casteel, Extension Soybean Specialist, Associate Professor of Agronomy, Department of Agronomy, Purdue University showed some huge yield increases with sulfur on soybean using various sulfur sources.  He also looked at N fertilizer treatments and verified the yield increase was from the sulfur, not the N.

Sulfur Foundations in High Yield Soybeans (youtube.com)

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Riverton
Posted 1/23/2024 16:57 (#10589790 - in reply to #10589584)
Subject: RE: AMS on Soybeans


Western indiana		Sulfur seems to help the most on the more moisture challenged soils here. Seems to be needed less on the heavy soil types.
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DBindiana
Posted 1/23/2024 18:05 (#10589906 - in reply to #10589485)
Subject: RE: AMS on Soybeans


West Central Indiana		Adding ATS to our soybean pre to get sulfur on for beans has been the best yield increase I've done. It's half available at application and half has to break down and will be available later. Think of it as a slow release all season product.
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redfarm
Posted 1/23/2024 19:37 (#10590087 - in reply to #10589906)
Subject: RE: AMS on Soybeans


N. IL		How much ATS are you applying preplant?
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Dan Loehr
Posted 1/23/2024 20:03 (#10590160 - in reply to #10590087)
Subject: RE: AMS on Soybeans


Holland, Indiana (SW IN)		SW Indiana here
We’re making another pass with 100# of AMS this spring
Have the capacity to apply ATS with planter would probably use 5 gallons if using ATS 30” rows we used ATS 3 years back
We’re guessing we’ll pay the estimated extra spreading cost $5 an acre ( our spreader we pick up at terminal) with extra yield we think over ATS

No proof except what I’ve read in research
We’re convinced we need the S on our low OM soils

Dan

Add I’ve talked to the experts AMS is considered a little more sure than ATS of increased yield —depends on environmental factors and depends on the expert
Look at the research Mohr— power posted

Edited by Dan Loehr 1/23/2024 21:10
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humblefarmer
Posted 1/24/2024 05:25 (#10590528 - in reply to #10590160)
Subject: RE: AMS on Soybeans


indiana		Have you ever tried or considered some KTS with the planter?
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Dan Loehr
Posted 1/24/2024 08:57 (#10590839 - in reply to #10590528)
Subject: RE: AMS on Soybeans


Holland, Indiana (SW IN)
humblefarmer - 1/24/2024 05:25

Have you ever tried or considered some KTS with the planter?


Did not consider KTS --some varieties don't like K application close to planting ???
We did consider ATS with our NT burn down Think it MIGHT affect the roundup
Considered heavy amount of dissolved AMS with burn down we use AMS for a water conditioner but was concerned trying to put 80# an acre with the burndown
Can only dissolve so much AMS in hot water per gal of water
Narrowed our choices to ATS 5 gal 2X0X2 --was warned by one agronomist do no more than 5 gal OR MIGHT have to be concerned about soybean root pruning
FWIW we raised our best soybeans ever in 2021 with 5 gal of ATS 2" to side of row out the back
In 23 we decided to put all our dry on after planting 300# of 0-0-60 200# of DAP 100# of AMS
Don't think that was the best idea Soybean roots are sensitive to K --different year than 21 but in 2023 we were 8 bu. less average than 21

Thought about S in pelleted fly ash product probably be fine??
Finally decided What I've been lead to by 2 agronomist spread the P&K in the fall
Make another trip week or 2 before or week or2 After planting 100# of AMS preferred application BEFORE planting
We have a couple dry fertilizer semi tenders and a tall wheel 8 ton PT spreader that does 60' easily "another trip"
I've been guessing $5 will cover the hauling and application BUT like most farmers probably guessing too low

YES we have beat this horse enough BUT I want high yield soybeans little things will matter

Dan

Add 80-100# of AMS is recommended to answer the OP's question ---that's the best research Known now
Results will vary by soil type, environmental factors, how early you plant, GOD's hand--soybeans are frustrating


Edited by Dan Loehr 1/24/2024 14:02
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humblefarmer
Posted 1/24/2024 14:26 (#10591298 - in reply to #10590839)
Subject: RE: AMS on Soybeans


indiana		Yes sir soybeans are frustrating. And god’s hand/Mother Nature has the final say. We’ve been pushing soybeans with various products and it can get very frustrating when everything is going just right and the water shuts off at the most important time.
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DBindiana
Posted 1/24/2024 16:34 (#10591455 - in reply to #10590160)
Subject: RE: AMS on Soybeans


West Central Indiana
Dan Loehr - 1/23/2024 21:03

SW Indiana here
We’re making another pass with 100# of AMS this spring
Have the capacity to apply ATS with planter would probably use 5 gallons if using ATS 30” rows we used ATS 3 years back
We’re guessing we’ll pay the estimated extra spreading cost $5 an acre ( our spreader we pick up at terminal) with extra yield we think over ATS

No proof except what I’ve read in research
We’re convinced we need the S on our low OM soils

Dan

Add I’ve talked to the experts AMS is considered a little more sure than ATS of increased yield —depends on environmental factors and depends on the expert
Look at the research Mohr— power posted
Just was at a meeting today don't think you're getting your money back. In fact, ATS had a better yield gain on early planted beans.
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Dan Loehr
Posted 1/24/2024 18:17 (#10591637 - in reply to #10591455)
Subject: RE: AMS on Soybeans


Holland, Indiana (SW IN)
DBindiana - 1/24/2024 16:34

Dan Loehr - 1/23/2024 21:03

SW Indiana here
We’re making another pass with 100# of AMS this spring
Have the capacity to apply ATS with planter would probably use 5 gallons if using ATS 30” rows we used ATS 3 years back
We’re guessing we’ll pay the estimated extra spreading cost $5 an acre ( our spreader we pick up at terminal) with extra yield we think over ATS

No proof except what I’ve read in research
We’re convinced we need the S on our low OM soils

Dan

Add I’ve talked to the experts AMS is considered a little more sure than ATS of increased yield —depends on environmental factors and depends on the expert
Look at the research Mohr— power posted
Just was at a meeting today don't think you're getting your money back. In fact, ATS had a better yield gain on early planted beans.


Heck I can be wrong we don't do SXS and if we did do SXS every year is different
Pretty loose use of "in fact" wish I was so sure ATS would be easy

Hope we're getting our money back ...........guess we'll never know

Dan
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DBindiana
Posted 1/24/2024 19:42 (#10591818 - in reply to #10591637)
Subject: RE: AMS on Soybeans


West Central Indiana
Dan Loehr - 1/24/2024 19:17

DBindiana - 1/24/2024 16:34

Dan Loehr - 1/23/2024 21:03

SW Indiana here
We’re making another pass with 100# of AMS this spring
Have the capacity to apply ATS with planter would probably use 5 gallons if using ATS 30” rows we used ATS 3 years back
We’re guessing we’ll pay the estimated extra spreading cost $5 an acre ( our spreader we pick up at terminal) with extra yield we think over ATS

No proof except what I’ve read in research
We’re convinced we need the S on our low OM soils

Dan

Add I’ve talked to the experts AMS is considered a little more sure than ATS of increased yield —depends on environmental factors and depends on the expert
Look at the research Mohr— power posted
Just was at a meeting today don't think you're getting your money back. In fact, ATS had a better yield gain on early planted beans.


Heck I can be wrong we don't do SXS and if we did do SXS every year is different
Pretty loose use of "in fact" wish I was so sure ATS would be easy

Hope we're getting our money back ...........guess we'll never know

Dan
Just telling you what the numbers they had said. I like the ATS because we're making a burndown pass anyway and just adding to that. Makes it super easy.
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boog
Posted 1/25/2024 06:45 (#10592275 - in reply to #10591455)
Subject: RE: AMS on Soybeans



Was you at the eating at the Beef House yesterday, 1/24? What caught my attention was foliar spraying Sulphur when applying fungicide / insecticide on your beans. IIRC, they were talking a 5bpa+ yield jump with that combination. I told my son I would like to try that this summer as we're already spraying fungicide/ insecticide.
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DBindiana
Posted 1/25/2024 11:32 (#10592760 - in reply to #10592275)
Subject: RE: AMS on Soybeans


West Central Indiana
boog - 1/25/2024 07:45

Was you at the eating at the Beef House yesterday, 1/24? What caught my attention was foliar spraying Sulphur when applying fungicide / insecticide on your beans. IIRC, they were talking a 5bpa+ yield jump with that combination. I told my son I would like to try that this summer as we're already spraying fungicide/ insecticide.
Maybe I'm wrong but I thought it was not foliar but a combo of sulfur early and ZMB+ with your fungicide. This is what I've been doing. I wouldn't put sulfur on beans foliar like that I'd think you'd burn them. Here is the spec sheet on the ZMB+ it has no sulfur in it. I sprayed all my beans with the old product ZMB Ultra last year and think it made a difference especially of the med to low quality ground. Edit: Yes I was at the Beef House. You get a meeting there I think it's state law you have to go !!!! :))) Great food.

Edited by DBindiana 1/25/2024 11:34
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boog
Posted 1/25/2024 16:50 (#10593137 - in reply to #10592760)
Subject: RE: AMS on Soybeans



That was discussed early in the presentation on soybeans. Jeff talked about applying supper with fungicide/ insecticide on beans towards the end of the meeting.

I’m about 4 miles from the BH. It’s not what it use to be. About the only time we eat there is lunch or Sunday special.
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redfarm
Posted 1/28/2024 11:30 (#10597430 - in reply to #10593137)
Subject: RE: AMS on Soybeans


N. IL		We didn’t see any increase with sulfur added to Fung/insect pass. Going to try the ATS with pre plant herbicide pass
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Lone Wolf Picker
Posted 1/24/2024 15:02 (#10591339 - in reply to #10590087)
Subject: RE: AMS on Soybeans


Black Hawk County, IA		X.
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DBindiana
Posted 1/24/2024 16:32 (#10591453 - in reply to #10590087)
Subject: RE: AMS on Soybeans


West Central Indiana
redfarm - 1/23/2024 20:37

How much ATS are you applying preplant?
3.5 gallons with our burndown mix.
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Beanstubble
Posted 1/24/2024 20:56 (#10591964 - in reply to #10591453)
Subject: RE: AMS on Soybeans


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npschaps
Posted 1/25/2024 09:12 (#10592511 - in reply to #10589485)
Subject: RE: AMS on Soybeans


NC IA		I like 100-120lbs of Gypsum up front, and for high management acres I throw a quart of foliar sulfur in the post pass and the fungicide. AMS just acidifies ground and the nitrogen isn't really a necessity, and its usually $80-100 more a ton than gypsum.
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humblefarmer
Posted 1/25/2024 10:32 (#10592672 - in reply to #10592511)
Subject: RE: AMS on Soybeans


indiana		How do you apply the gypsum? Gypsum can be hard to work with. Doubt a spreader of any kind would spread less than a 1,000# per acre with any kind of accuracy. Just my experience.
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Moose333
Posted 1/26/2024 08:24 (#10594001 - in reply to #10592672)
Subject: RE: AMS on Soybeans


NW Wisconsin		Peletized. Something like Cal-Sol S04 or something like gypsol.
80-90% of the soybeans we do has some sort of gypsum on it.
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Walton Farms
Posted 1/26/2024 11:59 (#10594424 - in reply to #10592672)
Subject: RE: AMS on Soybeans



SW Indiana		https://www.sul4r-plus.com/

This is cheaper than AMS, pelletied like fertilizer and doesn't have any nitrogen in it which I think is better for beans.
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