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West Central Ohio | This is for all the experts on cyclo air planters, what unit(s) would you recommend? Would need for 24 rows so i would need 4 6 row seed pods. I know I can use 3 8 row pods but with the system I'm putting it on it won't work the greatest.
And to add to that I saw a farmer had for sale in the classifieds a 12/24 955 planter but it had graham electric drives and Ag leader seed command on it. That would be great to have but curious if anyone can explain kinda how you would mount it on the pods as well as how the pods kinda work. I have heard how they worked but really not in depth. Pics would help!
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| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gdxF0GgVo0
If you go to about 1:00 in that video it has a pretty good explaination of how the cyclo works. It is a promo video of a 400 planter but I believe the modules are similar. I don't know the answer to the rest of your questions.
Mike |
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| What crops are you planning to plant? I had a 16 row 30" 955. The seed spacing on especially the middle 4 rows was extremely terrible. Anything where the seed spacing matters, run, don't just walk away from it.
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n.c.iowa | The "pods", or (modules), are actually pretty simple, if they have the Graham drives they'd even more simple.
They are basically self contained. The only connection go the bar other than the mount is a couple of hydraulic hoses, and a drive chain, and also a wire for the seed level sensor in the hopper.
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Braham MN. | The early 800 had a stamped steal row unit, and the closing discs were across from each other. Later 800, all 900, 950, & 955's had the cast row unit and off set closing discs.
I think the 955 also had the discs openers swapped around, where the left side of the machine has the left disc leading, and the right side has the right disc leading. Claims are it pulls straight then.
Other then that there the exact same machines. |
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West Central Ohio | Thank you everyone. We will be using them to plant soybeans. |
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West Central Ohio | Thank you sir I appreciate it. So I'm the electric drive would be for spinning the drum and then you would use hydraulics to run the vac system? |
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S.E. South Dakota | I belive all cyclo units were made for eight rows. I know my six row planters would. I had a 900'950 and a 955 six row planters. I also had a 6/11 row 900 I bought new to plant beans. It had two seed units on it. |
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nw MN | Correct. Electric drive takes the place of ground drive and spins the drum, hydraulics run the fans. They are positive pressure not vac. The seed wheels on outside of drum make the seeds fall into the delivery tubes. The modules actually use quite a bit of hydraulics, I would say 7 gpm available PER module fan MINIMUM. 10 would be better, especially on corn. That might change your thinking on the 3 vs 4 module design, running all the fans might be too much for most planter tractors, or you would have to set up a big pto pump.
I have a 3 module 24r22". I love it for beans I can actually control the populations and have some spacing control vs. the air drill which was a controlled spill and seemed to put the beans in clusters. I have a 21 gpm pump dedicated to the fans and I would love to have more. If you end up getting the one setup with ag leader and electric drives get the seed tube monitor module from ag leader and throw away the early riser monitor. |
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nw MN | Make sure to check out the lids and fiberglass boxes for cracks, they are spendy to replace and the 800's are getting to the age where it would be a common problem. They need to be sealed well or you will have problem with population and skips. Check around where the drum spins the metal will wear through without liberal graphite application. Some parts are available through shoup. etc., but lots of the parts in the cyclo unit are a case IH only deal and are pretty spendy. The markers with the electric sequencer and one way cylinders are pretty much junk I would say if you need markers try find a set of aftermarket or convert the arms on there over to a hydraulic only setup with a sequencing valve. |
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| Tell me more about the seed tube monitor module. |
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nw MN | It is ag leaders module that turns lets your integra act as a planter monitor. It plugs into your existing planter wiring, they have adapter cables for most factory plugs. The module connects to your agleader implement cable. My module is mounted right on the planter tongue. I have the integra for my autosteer and rate control so it was a no brainer. No more beeping I cant turn off, I can monitor and map population, skips, doubles, and spacing. I freed up a ton of space in the cab everything is on one screen.
https://support.agleader.com/kbp/index.php?View=afile&EntryID=1548&A... |
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Central Iowa | Trimble has the same thing (FM 1000) also which I have been using on my Cyclo planter. Works very well and eliminates a lot of cab clutter. |
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West Central Ohio | Thank you sir. Yes you are correct on the controlled spill of an air drill. We are actually thinking about mounting these units on two JD 750 drills that are hooked together with a houck hitch. We drill twin row beans with them and love the system but wish we had better control/spacing with the seed delivery. We pull them with a mx 285 so I think we will have enough hydraulics to control them. Reasoning for 4 boxes is because with each drill having 12 rows, we can put two boxes on each and wouldnt have to worry about splitting a box between the drills. And with the electric drives, all we would have to do is mount the box and wouldn't have to worry about ground drive. Thank you for the input this is answering my questions!
And on a side note we are going to put exapta's uniforce on our drills which will make the units ride and perform better. |
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West Central Ohio | Also another note, how do you control the air pressure? Like could we run all 4 pods through the power beyond on the tractor and then put a electric control valve on each pod to control and calibrate each one individually? |
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nw MN | Sounds like a great plan. Will you take the seed boxes off? Convert to fertilizer?
I had thought about getting a larger air drill fan and running hoses to the boxes instead of the fans under each unit, but I have no idea how much air the cyclo fans move and how to figure how big a single fan I would need. The hydraulic motors on the cyclo fans are very fussy about return pressure. They don't have a case drain, just an inlet and an outlet. If there is any backpressure it will be directly on the seal and 250psi will blow them right out. You absolutely need a pressure free return on the tractor, if you return it into the remote(at least in my experience) the motor seals will not last, too much return pressure and surges when lifting implement. I teed all the pressure lines together to my motors and it operates well. Hydraulic flow goes to the path of least resistance and that keeps the motors operating at very close to the same speed and creating the same air pressure. (unless a motor is bad) I assume you have hydraulic flow control on your tractor remotes to set speed but you will probably need everything the tractor can give and may have to use 2 remotes to get the required flow. You will want to plumb a coast check valve into the circuit to prevent damage in case of closing the remote (diagram attached). With 4 motors you might want to think about a hydraulic cooler on the return side just in case you get a hot day or 2 when planting.
Edited by OlsonKrist 2/23/2017 17:32
 (Motor coast check diagram.bmp)
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West Central Ohio | Thank you sir I agree with what you are saying on the remote pressure, we did that with our hydraulic fertilizer on our planter, ran the pressure line from a remote and the other line to the return on the power beyond. Wish the cyclo units had case drains like our blower for our vset meters on the corn planter. Thank you sir for the pic. And yes the boxes will come off and plan on mounting the seed pods in the same spot next to each other. |
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Piedmont, NC | Easiest planter in the world. Just takes getting use to and understanding what and how to make it run smooth. Spacing is about the most over rated thing in corn. Skips and doubles can be a big deal if you dont know what to look for or how set your brushes |
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Dayton, IA | I still have the planter for sale if you want to save yourself some work! The hopper on the planter holds seed. On front of the hopper is a drum with holes that is gravity fed from the hopper. There is a fan on each hopper also that pressurizes the drum and pushes the seed into the holes and as the drum rotates around there are cutoff wheels that drop the seed from the drum into each seed tube and the seed is blown to the seed trench. The electric drive is mounted under the hopper and rotates the drum. This gives you variable rate seeding adjustable from the cab and row shutoffs. The guy I bought it from installed everything and he did a nice job. I think he told me it was the only cyclo or at least one of the only cyclos with electric drives. Tractor hydraulics control the air pressure to blow the seeds onto the drum and out to the row units, each drum has its own adjustment valve on the planter, so as long as you have enough flow from the tractor, the valve gives the blower what it needs and returns the extra to the tractor. As someone else stated, CIH row units use a leading disk, so this planter has 12 left units and 12 right units to make it pull straight.
A.J. |
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| Thanks! |
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