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| So I'm going to purchase a 4440 here soon ! It's just what I want . I love them I hate them but can't live with out one anymore . I have ran powershiffs not any quad ranges . I ran power quads not quad ranges . Never really knew anybody had any problems with power shifts . I know a few that have some gears out of their quad ranges . Mechanically sound choices what would you choose if you had to do it over again ? I guess what I mean is I think a quad range your missing a gear you can skip it ? What happens to a power shift when it breaks ? |
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| You can have my 4440.....
When you pry my cold dead fingers from the steering wheel :-)
Mine has quad range, used to be one of our heavy workhorses when I was conventional till, now all she does is all the spraying, pulls some wagons rarely, used to pull the 750 no till drill sometimes, plowed all my snow with 148 loader and 115 rear blade, and used to plant when I had my 8 row. ( been a while ). IMO, powershift is ok when it comes to 8 speed, but if I was going to have my heart set on a powershift I would upgrade to 50 or 55 series and get the 15.
I actually really like my quad range, especially when going F to R, R to F, push clutch and brake, shift, vice versa.
Some guys have difficulty with the park on incline in order to get it out of park, using the power unlock, but just follow the instructions in the shift panel and you'll be fine.
I now have 18.4R-42 rears, I wish it had been ordered that way from factory, I like this set up MUCH better. Also wish it would have had long axles too, since I have wedgelocks, with the old T Rail Unverferths it was never a problem. |
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Illinois | What are you going to use it for? I would rather have the quad over an 8 speed. |
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| Must haves: 42" rubber, 3 remotes, powershift. I don't care for the quad, but some guys love them. I'd sell mine but you could buy a 50 or 55 series cheaper.
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| Plant ,spray, maybe now some hay . More so plant and run small grain cart. What ever needs to be done . I no till so no heavy tillage unless I'd have to |
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| I'm asking more on the mechanical side ? What is sounder transmission . I know there's problems with both . Just heard more problems with quads jab power shifts ? |
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| We're talking a 38+ year old tractor, nothing lasts forever. Either are dependable, but either could cost you a pile in a minute. Buy the one that's been well maintained with a known history. For the jobs you listed I'd still prefer the powershift. Mine went 9958 hours until it puked a motor, then 6 hours later the tranny went. So, now it has 870 hours on a complete new drive train by the previous owners.
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Saline County, Mo | That's what I want with duals |
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Lincoln, North Dakota | They have both been proven to be reliable transmissions. Syncros can go out in the quad but its not a hard job to fix. The most expensive problem is if you have to repair something on the bottom shaft. Remember the Range shift ABCD is not synchronized and requires coming to a stop before shifting. Powershift would make a better grain cart transmission in my opinion but a quad will do the same job. Worst part of the 8 speed is that 3-4 shift and speed change. That transmission would have been great as a 10 or 12 speed. We have a 4430 with north of 10,000 hours with a powershift that hasnt had much work done to it. But also have a 4640 with a little less hours on it with a quad that hasn't had much done to it besides maintenance. I like either transmission haven't found much that either wont do. my .02 |
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N.C. Iowa | For what you are going to do I would want a powershift. Both can break. If that is the one you are looking at, it better be 4430 cheap. |
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Wyoming | We had a 4440 and a 4640, both with quad range trannies.
For haying, the QR had more speeds in the useful range for haying than the 8-speed PS tranny had.
As for which I'd have again: The quad range. Simple, straightforward, had lots of useful speeds for most everything we did. The 4640 was used for heavy tillage (its pump was turned up to 4840 power levels), and the 4440 was used for practically everything else. The QR tranny "just worked" for us.
The only downside of the 4440 was that when we got it, it has the two 6V starting batteries. That made it a horrible machine to start in cold weather. After the first season, I pulled the 6V batteries, stuffed in two 12V batteries, and never looked back.
The 4440 is one of the most versatile tractors out there, IMO. The only tractor I think I'd prefer more is the 4455. In the 55 series, then I'd go with the powershift transmission. |
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| I'd have to agree with you but I can't work on new stuff ! And by any means I'm not giving Deere that 110 hour to show up !! I can fix old iron cheaper than new sensors ! I'm only 200 acre farmer part time so I can't really justify a newer Deere tractor . Plus I got a guy who will show up and do the big jobs really reasonable . He won't work on anything past a 50 series . Just something to get my feet wet get a little bit bigger . Spent to much time miming 45 dairy cows now am lagging on the grain part . I'll get to where I need to be someday just not now . Plus I'm usually my own mechanic but a power shift transmission and quad range is a little out of my league I can learn but really have no clue |
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Lincoln, North Dakota | Looks like that one has had a Dupont overhaul the AC compressor is green |
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kirby,Ohio | well I would love to been around when they came out that way I could bought it new I was born in 1980, I would gave any thing to see what the deere day or deere night done to let farmers know that the 40's was coming out. But I grew up driving my dad 4440 that he bought new and then sold it for a 7810 and I end up buying this one. But it would be nice to know where my dad 4440 is at now
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Central Ga | I don't mean to be negative but I assume you want honest feedback. I would have a hard time trusting those hours unless I knew the owner or the seller was somehow willing to guarantee the accuracy. Someone has done what I would consider a jockey restoration. You have overspray on the tires and all the components on the engine. The decals are aftermarket as well. I am not saying it is not a good solid tractor. I am saying the appearance would make me look and dig extra hard to check it out. Good luck. I hope it checks out good and if you buy it I hope it serves you well... |
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| A lot tell me the 30s are better ? No clue |
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| 4800 hour tractors don't end up on jockeys lots with rattle can paint jobs, more like 14k hours. |
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| Yeah I'm sure you are correct ! It does have a question mark at the hours . Talked to a guy about it today he said he has 15 4430s and a couple 4440s . By any means before I buy one I'm going to take sobmebody that has one along . Some have a lot more hours some don't . He said couple are junk couple he'd buy . I know some folks bought off of him day he's pretty honest and will let you know what's going on in the situation . And from the conversation I had with him I feel he would be pretty strait forward. Yes there's some overspray on the tires . |
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N.C. Iowa | I feel the 40s are a lot better than the 30, but both are good tractors. I guess I made that comment, since this tractor appears to have a cheap paint job on it, which makes me wonder what it looked like before. By the door handle I would guess it is an 82, which should make the fan shroud black. Could have straitened the air cleaner, put a muffler extension, replaced the missing back light on the fender, and not painted the tires to make it at least look like a 4800 hour tractor. |
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Huntley Montana | I have owned 2 or 3 tractors. Own at this time 1 -4440, 3-4450s, 6-4455s & a few more (20 I think) other tractors. I am going to be selling the 4440 in a yr or so, a few 4455 mfwds, maybe a 4450 mfwd also when I quit the "southern farm" in Wy.. 4440s are ok, 4450s are good, the 4455s were DAMM good.. I like the 15 spd tranny WAY better than either a 8 spd PS, or a 16 spd Quad. If I was looking at this time, I would make the jump to a 4450 minimum. |
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| zachary193 - 11/18/2016 17:50
20.8 R38 tires 4800 hours 2 remotes quad range
I'm sorry but that's a washed over POS just waiting for you to spend money on it. You might need help on this purchase if you are seriously considering that tractor. |
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EC IL | Isn't that the truth. It would of been slurped up before that jockey ever got it |
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Illinois | I wonder if it rolled over and is 14800?
Any leaks, pedal wear, serious draw bar wear? |
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North Central Texas | Ok, the tarp strap keeping the battery box side on I have never seen. That is an 81 or 82 but it has been a loader tractor - step moved back. Run, don't walk away. That thing makes a rusty southern tractor look like a cream puff. |
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Texas/New Mexico Stateline | I never did like the 8 spd. Like you said not enough speed choices. 4th was too slow for most work, 5th was too fast if you ran full throttle. Also the 4-5 shift was pretty rough. Always felt like it came to a complete stop and then the back wheels came off the ground grabbing the next gear.
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Ne Nebraska | Both transmissions are good- I wouldn't make my decision on the transmission but on the overall tractor and where it came from and was cared for. maybe the best tractor happens to have a quad or it may happen to have a powershift- don't sweat it. Have both quads and powershifts on our farm, don't think much about it switching back and forth.
As for the 8 spd powershift, you have to work the throttle at same time as you shift, I can go up the gears with barely a jerk. yes, if you run the same rpms it will give you a good jerk about every other gear......
For the 30/40/50/55 series, yes, each one kept getting better but you run from $10k to $45k moving up that ladder and not everyone has that budget to choose which rung of the ladder they want to be one.
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| +1, quad-deranged tractors are terrible, 8 spd's don't have enough gears, I personally wouldn't own anything green without the 15 spd power shift in it. 4450 and newer without question. |
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Pierce county WI | And the decals, ugh! That's a pet peeve of mine. Give it a paint job, then buy half a**ed decals... There is a 4500 hr 4440 by me, and it's showroom. That tractor is not! Buy a nice one, it will hold it's resale value. Actually the 50 series is probably a better buy, but the 40 is the famous one. I love quads, but I would like an 82 power shift, just for the collectability. My favorite tractor. |
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Illinois | Is that a tarp strap holding the battery box on? |
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Manitoba, Canada | You will do yourself a favour buying the one in the best condition no matter what transmission it has in it. The basic design is very, very good. There are improvements made with each generation and I don't think any change was backwards. In general you do have to pay more though. The nice thing about those tractors is that they are long lived and if you buy any series right you can easily upgrade several years down the road for very little money. They just plain hold their value.
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Sunburst Montana | We got along fine with our 4640 with the 16 speed. It didn't kill us. Its easy to say go newer since you get better features. You can apply that to almost any brand. On the red side for actual use I wouldn't consider anything IH made before the 88 series. Even then most will say just go to Magnum.
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Freeburg IL | Guess I'll be the odd man out and say look for a nice 4430. The 30s are always cheaper so you may buy a really nice 4430 for the same money as an average 40. Both are darn good tractors that will do the same work. IMO |
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Pierce county WI | That is awesome. Your dad bought a rare tractor. No cab, but a power shift, and triple remotes, with 34" tires? It might turn up if you advertise you are looking for it. There can't be too many qlike it. That's cool, your dad ordered it the day I was born! |
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| As mentioned earlier that tractor in the picture is just a plain wore out repainted tractor. Save your money and buy one that will hold its value. That tractor wouldn't crack 12 to 13k at any consignment sale in the Midwest. Bet it looks worse up close and they want a lot more for it. You said whoever it was had many to chose from, are they all have that quality paint job? Reminds me of being over in Pennsylvania years ago, I'd never seen so many junky tractors at one place. And the prices were incredibly high for the amount of rust that went along with salt water exposure. "Here" we like power shift tractors. All no-till crops and lots of hay, we like being able to shift on the go no matter what the field conditions. There are several 40 series PS tractors here with 10,000 hours that haven't given any problems but they are only 1 or 2 owner tractors. They don't look like the one in your picture. Good luck, I hope you get a good one. |
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western iowa | I had a 4440 PS years ago that was a great tractor. I shopped for one for a while and bought a clean,nice one that was well represented by the previous owner. A few years later the transmission started slipping in 8th gear pulling wagons on the road. A pretty costly repair at the time for me. Had it repaired at a JD dealership. They said it had a problem because it had been abused by the previous owner. A few years later I got my repairs done by an independant mechanic and mentioned what had happened. He said BS on what JD had told me. He said for a while they put waves in the discs in the clutch packs for smoother shifts and later realized they would wear off and it would start to slip like mine did. Other than that it was a good tractor except the large jump in speed from 7th to 8th . . . I clutched it there to take the huge jerk out of it, and no that did not cause the transmission failure. Traded it on a 4450 with the 15 speed PS. Huge improvement! Later I owned another 4440 QR as my planter/sprayer tractor. That one seemed to be better than the first. Quadranges aren't bad at all once you get used to them. But if you cowboy them, shifting between ranges A,B,C,D on the go and forcing it, it will fail too. But I think generally they are more dependable. The Powershifts need the hydraulic oil changed more often, in my opinion, to live a long life. |
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Lincoln County. NC | If it lived this long those 34's are long gone, I bet! |
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West Central IL | If I were to buy another, it would be a 4450. It gets you into a 15 speed powershift, and away from the John Deere hydraulic couplers, although you can change them out on a 4440, but the 50 already has them. Other than a bit updated interior, its basically a 4440. I have a 4440, and we did have a 4450. Both had quad range so that's why we kept the 4440. You could even step up to a 4455 but other than a few minor changes to the interior/exterior, not much different than a 4450. |
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kirby,Ohio | I got the S/N and 1 picture of it sitting in our shop before the next day leaving. IF I see it again I wanna fix it up and make it never leave again |
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Southeast Colorado | I know many years ago the 4430s had a bad reputation related to the rear axle planetary gears. They had one less spider gear than the 40 series axles. Lots of them were replaced so maybe most of the bad ones are gone. |
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Southern Pa. | DC4020 - 11/18/2016 19:58
I don't mean to be negative but I assume you want honest feedback. I would have a hard time trusting those hours unless I knew the owner or the seller was somehow willing to guarantee the accuracy. Someone has done what I would consider a jockey restoration. You have overspray on the tires and all the components on the engine. The decals are aftermarket as well. I am not saying it is not a good solid tractor. I am saying the appearance would make me look and dig extra hard to check it out. Good luck. I hope it checks out good and if you buy it I hope it serves you well...
+100. My thoughts exactly. |
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John Deere 4440 if you had to do it over again ?
