Ethanol Question
JonSCKs
Posted 5/14/2026 14:44 (#11646163 - in reply to #11645973)
Subject: Well Said.


Many good comments in this thread including yours.. which I agree.

Let's review. Rudolph Diesel initially developed his motor to run on peanut oil.. "believing farmers could grow their own fuel to replace draft horses in the 1890's.  Its always amazing how consumers believe ICE engines were built to run on "fossil" fuels.

Rockefeller amassed his wealth developing the critical choke points at the refineries.. separating kerosene mainly for lamps.. gasoline was this worthless by product they dumped in the rivers just to get rid of it.

Henry Ford developed the model T for the masses.. and off we went.  Advances on engines required the need for higher octane fuels in order to harness greater efficiency.. At first lead was used.. but was replaced by MTBE.. which in California so much unspent fuel.. found it's way to drinking water supplies.. Liability in 2005 along with the Clean Air Act promoted Alcohol made from Cirn denatured as Ethanol.

There are petroleum alternatives.. BTX.. Benzene which gives gasoline that sweet small but is a KNOWN Carcinogen causing Leukemia.  Toulene can also be used but is also a Solvent.. and is expensive.. Xylene.. ditto.

Refineries have installed Hydro Crackers to take out the sulfur.. (and sell it back to farmers as thiosul ) to meet clean air requirements.  They can "crack" it harder.. longer raising the octane level but reducing output.. consequently it raises costs.. 

Ethanol is a cheaper, cleaner, renewable alternative which makes sense.

Most energy is Solar derived.. Petroleum is banked solar found in flira and fauna buried and "cooked" by heat and pressure.. Coal has been cooked less.. tar.. etc..

Corn captures this years solar energy.. and "banks" it in the starch.. which is fermented to make Alcohol.. the residual can be fed to livestock as a high protein source. 

Again we have existing farms.. existing farmland.. farmers.. etc And tge infrastructure to plant, cultivate, Harvest, store and transport the energy Stored in Corn to be refined later..

Brazil is acknowledging these advantages as solar energy captured in Sugar Cane is not as scaleable.. First energy density is less.. they haul alot of water.. which limits the distance from the processing plant.. which limits the amount of time the plants run.. Corn plants can run year round.. which is why Brazil is expanding Corn Ethanol.

Brazil runs.. like 30% ethanol in cars built by the major manufacturers.. same as the US.. There is no excuse why we can not adopt that model.. here.

US corn yields are increasing as we sequester carbon from growing crops in our soils.. a 5% organic matter soil.. pretty common in the cornbelt cranks out about 100 units of nitrogen EACH YEAR.. (lucky dawgs!!)

So not only are we growing croos for food, feed and fuel.. were also increasing the productivity if our lands.. Win, Win, Win.

So, Electric Vehucles may continue to gain some market share.. there's a thread above about solar farms to EVs..

However, you have to construct a mechanical solar farm.. which can turn into a toxic hazard after a hail storm.. plus build the transmission kines.. battery storage etc.. to mimic.. what crops.. like Corn.. already does.

Rooftop solar.. sure.. solar farms the size of Iowa.. feeding transmission lines the size of Indiana.. to reach consumers on the Coasts.. uhm.

To a point maybe but ICE engines use STORABLE fuels.. and Ethanol Enhances these liquid.. easily transported and stored fuels.

Better. 

Let the consumer choose.

StoneX good summary on gasoline tightness as refiners continue to crack for distillates.

 https://youtu.be/evhiNEZuA4E?si=Cmaa_2Vj00szarYW




Edited by JonSCKs 5/15/2026 09:07




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