Posted 5/6/2016 08:23 (#5285601) Subject: There is a lot of concern about big rye
Lewisburg, PA
So thought I'd share a few pics. MY experience is no allopathic issue C/N ratio yez. U need more N . ill be putting 60# down. Got some legumes to help. FYI I got close to 700 acres like this
Posted 5/6/2016 09:11 (#5285683 - in reply to #5285601) Subject: RE: There is a lot of concern about big rye
South Eastern VA
You're gonna give people nightmares Lucas. Lol
I think if more guys did a rye cover in 15 rows it would work out a lot better. I like the idea of planting between the rye rows and maybe switch to a roller BEHIND the planter system? Maybe something to think about...probably wouldn't need row cleaners either for something like that.
Posted 5/6/2016 10:16 (#5285761 - in reply to #5285601) Subject: RE: There is a lot of concern about big rye
Mercer County, Ohio on the Indiana line
I saw in a notill farmer issue that you're also applying hog manure to your cereal rye going to corn. You can't be covering all 700 acres can you?
:Edit to add: How much extra N is that hog manure adding? Any dry fertilizer in the spring? You're adding 60lbs with the planter but that may not be the whole story. :End edit:
I had a disaster raising corn in rye last year. Too wet when I planted it. I knew it when I was doing it but it was tough to wait when the forecast showed rain. I know better now and the brown rye was going to hold in all the rain that was coming.
Had another field in rye this year that so far has good germ. I went back to applying 60 lbs 28% 2x2 and another 10lbsN in furrow with 9-18-9. Haven't had enough gdu to get it out of the ground but I'm not concerned yet. It should spike this weekend.
Posted 5/6/2016 11:23 (#5285853 - in reply to #5285761) Subject: RE: There is a lot of concern about big rye
Lewisburg, PA
almost. We put 2 ton of chicken manure on maybe 200acres but the balance gets 1500 gal fall and in the spring. There is very little N left because its getting tied up but I don't spread manure for the corn I spread manure to feed the cover crop! Less is the new MORE.
I side dress with otrx sensors to balance out the needs. No dry oh im might be getting 20-30# from manure . MAYBE
Posted 5/6/2016 11:27 (#5285860 - in reply to #5285853) Subject: RE: There is a lot of concern about big rye
Central Missouri
Can you post the corresponding page out of your county soil book like Scott did so we can reference what soil you work with. Manure helps a ton. You can tell by the color of the rye.
Posted 5/6/2016 14:07 (#5286049 - in reply to #5285860) Subject: RE: There is a lot of concern about big rye
Northwest ohio
SWEET, I got one feild that is not far behind that one. Thanks for all your help with this new learning curve on the covers Lucas. Your insight has helped me feel alot more at ease with the covers. Neil
Posted 5/6/2016 14:28 (#5286061 - in reply to #5285853) Subject: RE: There is a lot of concern about big rye
Mercer County, Ohio on the Indiana line
That's what I was thinking. So if guys want to truly copy your system they'll need to add another 20-30# early spring/fall so the rye has something to grow off of rather than completely depleting the soil of N.
That's probably one of the biggest factors to your success raising corn behind cereal rye IMO. If the ground is totally depleted, even the N you're applying with the planter is at risk of getting tied up before the corn can use it. Or am I in left field here?
Posted 5/6/2016 20:37 (#5286453 - in reply to #5286423) Subject: RE: There is a lot of concern about big rye
Bourbon,Indiana
Yes.
The problem is when? A tall stand of rye may not release the N until after the corn needs it. To, be sure......the N is still there, it is just not metabolized yet.
ARG, with it's finer leaves and less top growth, generally gives the N back quicker ( the microbes are able to metabolize the ARG quicker and release the N).
Posted 5/6/2016 17:51 (#5286219 - in reply to #5285601) Subject: RE: There is a lot of concern about big rye
swohio
Ok Lucas, help me out. Just dry enough here to look over some fields I haven't seen since harvest. Cereal spread with fert. and have a nice not too thick stand that today you can see some heads. Not over 3' tall at this point. No way this ground can be dry enough to plant before next rain. Almost all of next week looks wet. Was planning on about 30lbs of dry AMS, 11 lbs. of N from 11-52-0 and 30lbs N from 28 with planter. At this point do I just leave it go until I can plant it? Should I hold off of putting any fert. on until planting? Have planted green before but not on this scale. I can spray this tomorrow and kill it, would be good and dead by time to plant. So what to do? Also should I up the N no matter what? Thanks.
Posted 5/6/2016 18:26 (#5286265 - in reply to #5286219) Subject: RE: There is a lot of concern about big rye
Lewisburg, PA
If I added properly your at 70#s N How many acres? Try some spraying and some not! wait till planting to spread fertilizer. If its a nice thin stand I would let it go. Hit it with a mix of residual and Gramoxone . The key here is you said its not fit till its going to rain again they rye helps dry it out quicker plain and simple. You spray it it will be dead but the rye wraps a lot easier . it turns into baler twine
Posted 5/6/2016 21:06 (#5286500 - in reply to #5285601) Subject: RE: There is a lot of concern about big rye
swohio
Ok Lucas, I think I will spray some that is on gravel ground that could plant Sunday if no rain. Then leave the other go on the wetter ground and see what happens. this all was spread with fert. in 3rd week of Oct. and have some really nice stands and some very thin stands. Spread same day, so not sure why some is great while others not very good. Have 100 ac. like this. Rest of ground going to corn was covered in Annual rye, crimsom clover, and rape. All sprayed 3 weeks ago and dead.
Posted 5/7/2016 06:50 (#5286903 - in reply to #5285601) Subject: RE: There is a lot of concern about big rye
West TN
My experience has been that some cover crop species will magnify weather problems during germination/emergence. One of these species is cereal rye. While I am a big proponent of cover crops I will not tell someone they won't cause problems. Getting a stand of cash crop is perhaps the biggest difficulty in transitioning to cover crops. BUT if you get a stand, management of a crop gets much easier for the rest of the year.
The weather problems that I feel are magnified by cover crops are any conditions that lead to saturated soils for several days. Not necessarily flooding, but if you get rains several days in a row, it can lead to problems. Of course this can lead to problems in any type of planting practice but is magnified by planting green into tall mixes contains cereal rye. My best advice is to ignore the calender and what your neighbors are doing and wait until conditions are good and will remain good for several days following planting. I know, I know easier said than done!
There is a lot of concern about big rye
