AgTalk Home
AgTalk Home
Search Forums | Classifieds (18) | Skins | Language
You are logged in as a guest. ( logon | register )

straw waker vs. rotary combines
View previous thread :: View next thread
   Forums List -> Machinery TalkMessage format
 
briggsfm
Posted 11/19/2011 20:53 (#2057752)
Subject: straw waker vs. rotary combines



Scottville, Northwest Michigan
I currently own a straw walker machine. But have owned a rotary combine in the past. I suspect the rotaries are more productive and efficient. Talked briefly today with the owner of our closest Lexion dealer. He says all they've ever sold were rotaries, they've never sold a straw walker.

Is this one of those personal prejudices or bias's? Or are rotaries generally considered superior? Are the any circumstances where straw walker's are considered to have an advantage?

I'm really curious to hear your pros and cons on this subject.




thanks, gordon
Top of the page Bottom of the page
exit
Posted 11/19/2011 20:55 (#2057755 - in reply to #2057752)
Subject: Re: straw waker vs. rotary combines


eastern ga
straw walkers have advantage if your looking for quality straw and baling it.
Top of the page Bottom of the page
lawfarms
Posted 11/19/2011 21:59 (#2057938 - in reply to #2057755)
Subject: Re: straw waker vs. rotary combines



King City, Mo
2x about the straw, had a guy one year tell me he won't buy rotary straw cuz it's so ground up....


the walker machines seem to like green steam beans better then the rotary machines....after the frost it doesn't matter...
Top of the page Bottom of the page
Steiger Man
Posted 11/20/2011 00:16 (#2058140 - in reply to #2057755)
Subject: Re: straw waker vs. rotary combines


North Central Montana

I had the same prejudice against rotaries on the straw issue.  But after running rotaries since 1998 I don't anymore.  Nieghbor has been running rotaries for 30 years and they seem to get by just fine with the straw.  The cows don't seem to care if the straw comes out of a rotary or conventional.  Only thing I notice is it takes more straw out of a rotary to equal the straw you would get out of a conventional.  Thats not a problem for us since we have more then enough barley acres to bale up.  And round balers have come along way in the last 10 years in their ability to bale rotary straw.  Our 568 and the 457 we had before never have any problems.   



Edited by Steiger Man 11/20/2011 00:19
Top of the page Bottom of the page
Jon Hagen
Posted 11/20/2011 00:57 (#2058164 - in reply to #2058140)
Subject: Re: straw waker vs. rotary combines



Hagen Brothers farms,Goodrich ND
My cousin is still into beef cattle and needed bedding straw. We use IH rotor combines with Shelbourne Reynolds stripper headers to harvest spring wheat. We winrow the tall unmolested stripper straw and bale it with big round baler.
Cousin says it makes the best bedding of anything he has tried.
Top of the page Bottom of the page
Trent2520
Posted 11/19/2011 21:47 (#2057891 - in reply to #2057752)
Subject: Has anyone compared fuel efficiency?



Statesville, NC
I have always thought walker machines might use less fuel than a rotary for the same amount of bushels or acres, since the rotors are tearing up the straw more and that takes energy. I may be wrong since the output of the rotaries is so much more. Has anyone compared fuel consumption of rotary vs. walker in corn, wheat, and soybeans?
Top of the page Bottom of the page
5288
Posted 11/19/2011 21:55 (#2057924 - in reply to #2057891)
Subject: Re: straw waker vs. rotary combines


S.E. South Dakota
Who builds a walker machine today?
Top of the page Bottom of the page
steigerpower
Posted 11/19/2011 22:05 (#2057948 - in reply to #2057924)
Subject: Re: straw waker vs. rotary combines


nw sd

New Holland does, the CX series.

European built, I think??

Top of the page Bottom of the page
Orin
Posted 11/19/2011 22:10 (#2057956 - in reply to #2057948)
Subject: Re: straw waker vs. rotary combines



Nusbaum Farms LLC Bellfountain, OR
Deere also does, the T670. Built in Germany I think.

-Orin
Top of the page Bottom of the page
steigerpower
Posted 11/19/2011 22:12 (#2057962 - in reply to #2057956)
Subject: Re: straw waker vs. rotary combines


nw sd

Is the Deere for sale in North America?

Apparently the New Holland is, as I saw one this summer on a dealer's lot here. 

Top of the page Bottom of the page
Steiger Man
Posted 11/20/2011 00:08 (#2058134 - in reply to #2057962)
Subject: Re: straw waker vs. rotary combines


North Central Montana

I've seen several T670s being trucked north on I-15 into Canada.  Had a neighbor who considered buying one but the salesman told him the resale was going to be nonexistent since everybody has gone to the STS.  He ended up buying a 9670 STS. 



Edited by Steiger Man 11/20/2011 00:09
Top of the page Bottom of the page
Orin
Posted 11/20/2011 00:25 (#2058148 - in reply to #2057962)
Subject: Re: straw waker vs. rotary combines



Nusbaum Farms LLC Bellfountain, OR
Yes.

The walker combines are still pretty popular around here in grass seed country. Deere has been pushing the t670's here for 2-3 years but not many around. Lots of CX NH's though.

-Orin
Top of the page Bottom of the page
exit
Posted 11/19/2011 22:05 (#2057951 - in reply to #2057924)
Subject: Re: straw waker vs. rotary combines


eastern ga
5288 - 11/19/2011 21:55

Who builds a walker machine today?


almost all do, they are European models though.
Top of the page Bottom of the page
Red/Green
Posted 11/20/2011 09:56 (#2058441 - in reply to #2057891)
Subject: RE: Has anyone compared fuel efficiency?


Elizabethtown,KY
Trent2520 - 11/19/2011 21:47

I have always thought walker machines might use less fuel than a rotary for the same amount of bushels or acres, since the rotors are tearing up the straw more and that takes energy. I may be wrong since the output of the rotaries is so much more. Has anyone compared fuel consumption of rotary vs. walker in corn, wheat, and soybeans?


I had a 9510 before my 9560 and now a 9570, fuel consumption was about the same in corn, but the rotaries burn way less fuel running beans than the 9510 did.
Top of the page Bottom of the page
hes_33
Posted 11/19/2011 22:34 (#2058010 - in reply to #2057752)
Subject: RE: straw waker vs. rotary combines



Byron, WY
If you are harvesting alfalfa seed, you would want a walker machine.
Top of the page Bottom of the page
JohnW
Posted 11/19/2011 22:34 (#2058011 - in reply to #2057752)
Subject: RE: straw waker vs. rotary combines


NW Washington
The short coming of walker combine is walker losses. If you push them too much the losses will go up very fast. Rotary combines use more power and their losses will rise at a linear rate if over loaded and in most cases their capacity is limited by engine power. Notice that bigger rotary machines usually just have more power than the lower capacity models. Rotary machine are better corn shellers and they do less damage to the harvested crops like beans.
So, here is North America where corn is king and beans are big so are rotary combines. In Europe where very little corn is harvested for grain and cereal crops are often harvested relatively high moisture and straw is often saved rotary combines are few and far between. Most of their walker machines now have a tined separator drum or cylinder behind the main cylinder to separate more grain before the straw gets to the walkers, like the NH CX series in this link.

http://agriculture.newholland.com/au/en/Products/Harvesting-Equipme...
Top of the page Bottom of the page
trac8100
Posted 11/19/2011 23:46 (#2058110 - in reply to #2058011)
Subject: Re: straw waker vs. rotary combines


EC Kansas
The Lexion rotors are not the same as the single axial rotors. Walkers are completely different animals. Each machine - walker (JD - New Holland - Lexion) - single rotor (New Holland twin rotors - JD STS - CIH axials) - hybrid rotor (JD CTS/Lexion) has it special place and use, alot of which is outlined above. Don't confuse a single rotor as being the same as a Lexion/CTS. Too many people try to compare a single rotor with a hybrid or waler and expect comparable results.
Top of the page Bottom of the page
Fawazhay
Posted 11/20/2011 03:28 (#2058197 - in reply to #2057752)
Subject: Re: straw waker vs. rotary combines


Northern CA
I bale alot of the straw out of our Gleaner rotary machines. The only time the straw ever being chopped up more (and yes, one of our machines even has a chopper on it that we bale behind), is for the retail / feed store market for horse customers. They like the longer straw better. But, the guys that feed straw or have cattle, like the rotary straw better. I think it might just depend on your straw market.
Top of the page Bottom of the page
1156versatile
Posted 11/20/2011 03:43 (#2058201 - in reply to #2058197)
Subject: Re: straw waker vs. rotary combines


Roseau,mn
In NW MN we have a lot of grass seed production. We are also known for heavy dews daily during harvest. We still have a fair number of walker machines including 9000 series deere and NH conventionals around the area. If the going is tuff and green a smaller conventional will make up a lot of ground against a rotor machine in these conditions. I was running in some grass infested flax for a neighbor and couldn't hardly do as much as his 7720 with my r72. In clean wheat I can out do him by over double, but in heavy wet grass conditions I can't get it through the rotor fast enough, too much friction..... He only has to grind it through his concave once and out the walkers. A walkers down fall is the ability to seperate seed over the walkers without loosing it out the back. Under heavy crop conditions it doesn't take too much to over run walkers.
Top of the page Bottom of the page
Jump to forum :
Search this forum
Printer friendly version
E-mail a link to this thread

(Delete all cookies set by this site)