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HF22
Posted 5/9/2011 07:24 (#1767020)
Subject: Best 4wd for the dollar??


Hey guys. Our farm is considering another 4wd for our farm. We will be using it mainly to pull a soil finisher and possibly a little fall tillage. We need 375-400 horse, looking at something newer-new! We want a decent cab, good horsepower to the ground, and most likely a bareback but possibly would add 3pt. In your guys opinion what is the best 4wd for the money! open for all suggestions besides a cat or deere (track), we farm too many small fields for them!
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CaseFarmer
Posted 5/9/2011 07:25 (#1767022 - in reply to #1767020)
Subject: Re: Best 4wd for the dollar??


When it comes to 4wd's its hard to beat a stieger..... we love out 2001 375
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TheDonkey
Posted 5/9/2011 07:49 (#1767043 - in reply to #1767020)
Subject: Re: Best 4wd for the dollar??



NH or case are very crude. the trans is very harsh and the cabs are quite noisy. but they will pull somewhat.
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razutak
Posted 5/9/2011 08:08 (#1767062 - in reply to #1767020)
Subject: Re: Best 4wd for the dollar??


Central ND
Dont know what case you ran but couldnt be happier with my 05 450 quad.
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Mudbug
Posted 5/9/2011 08:10 (#1767066 - in reply to #1767020)
Subject: Re: Best 4wd for the dollar??


USofA
In small fields it would be hard to beat a track machine IMO.
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smokesgasman
Posted 5/9/2011 08:33 (#1767095 - in reply to #1767020)
Subject: RE: Best 4wd for the dollar??


so.wisconsin

if your looking for cheap power jd 8970 with the 24 speed hard to find with 3pt or pto tho. the deere 8870 is a deere 10L @350 hp the 8970 is the cummins motor 855 @ 400 hp i think nice cabs

smoke

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mennoboy
Posted 5/9/2011 10:10 (#1767191 - in reply to #1767020)
Subject: RE: Best 4wd for the dollar??


Rivers, MB
A case 9370, case STX 375 or JD 9320 would be my pick. Have run all of them.
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mennoboy
Posted 5/9/2011 10:12 (#1767192 - in reply to #1767043)
Subject: Re: Best 4wd for the dollar??


Rivers, MB
What part about an STX or TJ is very crude? I would agree that the PS can be a bit rough but to describe the tractors as very crude is a stretch in my opinion. Care to enlighten me?

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bike across Iowa
Posted 5/9/2011 10:49 (#1767221 - in reply to #1767020)
Subject: RE: Best 4wd for the dollar??


Charles City. Iowa
Look at older New Holland Versatiles. The New Holland 946 is at 335hp same tractor as a 976 can set up power to 400hp. You can buy a year 1990 with 3000 hours with Powershift backback with 20.8X 38 for $49,000. The cumminis 855 is one of the best engine build and parts are real low price.
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CaseFarmer
Posted 5/9/2011 12:50 (#1767318 - in reply to #1767192)
Subject: Re: Best 4wd for the dollar??


Maybe he's talking about the old green steigers lol
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plowboy
Posted 5/9/2011 12:58 (#1767322 - in reply to #1767066)
Subject: Re: Best 4wd for the dollar??



Brazilton KS

No doubt!  I was wondering what in the world he was thinking with that comment, makes no sense. 

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kinzepower
Posted 5/9/2011 15:34 (#1767436 - in reply to #1767020)
Subject: Re: Best 4wd for the dollar??


Thorndale, Ontario
I would look for something with an 855. The bigger Versy's, Deere 8970/60, and the bigger stiegers all have this motor.
Find something in your price range and preference with tranny and hydraulic needs.. In the end, this motor is hard to beat IMHO.
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tomosakis
Posted 5/9/2011 18:13 (#1767575 - in reply to #1767436)
Subject: Re: Best 4wd for the dollar??


Osakis, MN

I like our 9370, the 855 cummins is a great motor ( once you get it started and warmed up) there are definitely better, far smoother, starting engines out there!

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greenfarmer
Posted 5/9/2011 19:54 (#1767648 - in reply to #1767575)
Subject: Re: Best 4wd for the dollar??


Central Minnesota
I second that! Had one that needed an ether can in the summer!

Best bang for your buck, if you want to buy new... Check out the new Versatiles... I know they always have been quite a bit cheaper than Deere or Case... Local dealer has sold alot of new Versatiles in the area here.. I guess that dollar/hp they are cheaper. But it also depends on brand, service, and how much you want to spend.

Always remember... Ford vs Chevy vs Dodge.... Case vs Deere vs Cat vs Versatile... They all break down and can have troubles... Stick to where you get the best service. Doesn't matter what kind or color. Eventually you will have a problem.
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Joelt
Posted 5/9/2011 20:39 (#1767695 - in reply to #1767192)
Subject: Re: Best 4wd for the dollar??


perryton, tx
I agree. I have an '04 TJ 375. IMO there's nothing crude about about the cab. Mine is a standard transmission.
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Fla Veggie Farmer
Posted 5/9/2011 20:53 (#1767708 - in reply to #1767192)
Subject: Re: Best 4wd for the dollar??


Southeast Florida
I'm seeing that 40 series JD on his avatar, calling a C-IH or NH crude is kind of an oxymoron statment
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Pfarms
Posted 5/9/2011 20:55 (#1767709 - in reply to #1767020)
Subject: Just curious...


EC MN - Hour North of 'The Cities'
How small of a field is too small for a track tractor? Why do you think that?

If you're worried about turning radius I'd bet you can't find anything out there that can turn tighter! : )

We run a few fields under 10 acres and our tractor line-up is 2/3rds CAT. Would rather have it 100%, but still trying to figure out if we need a wheel tractor in the mix.

Used to run Steigers and a CIH 9150, but if a Cat/JD T series is in your price range I'd go for that over an articulating 4wd anyday. Might be able to get into an E-series Cat for a good price if you don't need row-crop.

Try pushing a full wheel barrow through the mud...now lay down a 2X10 and roll the wheel barrow over that...that would be a quick and dirty of how well tracks work when you need them to. Heck even if it ain't wet imagine how much better the weight distribution is over the surface of the 2X10 instead of just the point of where the tire contacts the ground surface.


Lance
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HF22
Posted 5/9/2011 21:42 (#1767778 - in reply to #1767709)
Subject: Re: Best 4wd for the dollar??


right now we run case ih..stx 4wd on our planters and some smaller deere row crops in the row. all i want is what is the best new (raw horsepower), something i can stick anyone in! i dont want some old tractor from the 80's,90's that ur always pulling wrench on. we farm any size field from 2-200..avg is probably 15-20. we use to run a 8 series T and we tore every head land up on every turn, no one in our area runs one, i can honestly not think of one within 20 miles
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Kooiker
Posted 5/9/2011 22:25 (#1767856 - in reply to #1767778)
Subject: Re: Best 4wd for the dollar??



If you want something you can stick any of your help in and them be able to run it wouldn't it make a lot of sense to get another of something you've already got?

 

Is there a reason you wouldn't get another STX?

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TheDonkey
Posted 5/10/2011 05:12 (#1768188 - in reply to #1767192)
Subject: Re: Best 4wd for the dollar??



mennoboy - 5/9/2011 10:12

What part about an STX or TJ is very crude? I would agree that the PS can be a bit rough but to describe the tractors as very crude is a stretch in my opinion. Care to enlighten me?



i find the entire cab and controls very cumbersome. the cab is noisy and the ps sucks. that's it though.
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kinzepower
Posted 5/10/2011 10:06 (#1768422 - in reply to #1767575)
Subject: Re: Best 4wd for the dollar??


Thorndale, Ontario
tomosakis - 5/9/2011 18:13

I like our 9370, the 855 cummins is a great motor ( once you get it started and warmed up) there are definitely better, far smoother, starting engines out there!



It can be quite the performance when these things start on a cold day...you would wonder how the heck it does not granade!
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jmc
Posted 5/10/2011 17:47 (#1768729 - in reply to #1767856)
Subject: Re: Best 4wd for the dollar??


Don't be afraid of a steiger with a 3406 cat....comparable to the 855....I have had both....
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Pfarms
Posted 5/10/2011 20:05 (#1768824 - in reply to #1767778)
Subject: Re: Best 4wd for the dollar??


EC MN - Hour North of 'The Cities'
Haven't had to wrench on our 45, 55, 65B, or 75C...I think we had an engine speed sensor issue on the 75, but that was a quick fix via a phone call to our local CAT dealer and they brought the part with.

I do dislike the berming on the end, but I'd rather have that than waiting for a field to dry enough to go with a wheeled tractor.

Our experience is that you get better horsepower for your money when you don't waste it via wheel slip.

Have had a 70 year old retired farmer run our tracked machines, as well as an 18 year old who never drove a tractor in his life.
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crazycactus
Posted 5/11/2011 11:57 (#1769659 - in reply to #1767778)
Subject: Re: Best 4wd for the dollar??



Central Iowa
I would look at the new Versitile 4wd. You can add electric hydraulics, but for the most part they have a nice quiet cab, simple transmission and engine. A dealer has 2 400's with 210 hours and he has them listed for $155,000 on tractorhouse. He used them, and I believe they will still have warranty.
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HF22
Posted 5/12/2011 10:04 (#1770889 - in reply to #1769659)
Subject: Re: Best 4wd for the dollar??


Thanks guys... As of right now te plan is a STX.. We was just wondering from ur experience if there was a cheaper options, we are considering demo a vee
Versatile.. Thanks
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Versatile Farmer
Posted 5/14/2011 12:20 (#1774142 - in reply to #1767020)
Subject: RE: Best 4wd for the dollar??


Go with a Versatile. You can't go wrong. They are the simplest and most reliable tractors ever made, I will argue with anyone on that. You look around the country and start counting how many other brands out there are still running, you will see that the Versatiles are the most popular 30-year old tractors still working in the fields. I proved it with the Versatile tractor show we had on our farm in 2009. There were 60 Versatiles in our yard from just a 40 mile radius, and those were just the ones we know of! Imagine how many more were sitting around that we didn't know about.

Edited by Versatile Farmer 5/14/2011 12:23
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