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EZ Guide 500 to Hardi 5500 controller for swath control?
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Jmark71
Posted 1/21/2011 21:28 (#1564055)
Subject: EZ Guide 500 to Hardi 5500 controller for swath control?



Kentucky

What is needed to allow the EZ Guide 500 to perform auto boom switching (swath control) with the Hardi 5500 controller on a Hardi Commander 4400 sprayer?  I was told that a direct connection from the EZ 500 to the Hardi 5500 was possible without the EZ Boom being needed, but am having a difficult time assessing what is really needed to make this work.

Thanks,

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johand
Posted 1/22/2011 05:28 (#1564543 - in reply to #1564055)
Subject: RE: EZ Guide 500 to Hardi 5500 controller for swath control?


Sweden
That is correct, I got a couple of customers running this in Sweden. You will need the VRA unlock for the 500 and a null modem cable. You need "JobCom" on the sprayer. It is a "computer" on the spryaer. I am not shure how to tell if it is present. Most of the sprayer in Sweden have them installed from factory.

Johan
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Jmark71
Posted 1/22/2011 10:12 (#1564862 - in reply to #1564543)
Subject: RE: EZ Guide 500 to Hardi 5500 controller for swath control?



Kentucky

Thanks!  I knew it would take someone from across the pond to get good information.  Hardi does well here, but only in some smaller areas and I'm not in one of them.  Most of my area is self propelled or low cost pull types.  Hardi makes great products but most don't see the value of the extra features and the durability and performance of the unit.  We have never had one of the larger, better dealers take on this line so my biggest problem is the distance to my dealer to get good resale on my sprayer and service if I have an issue.

I think the Hardi 5500 is the "JobCom" from what I've read.  I was hoping that only the cable was necessary ($45) since I didn't want to do variable rate, but swath control only.  It looks like the unlock for variable rate is $750.  This looks to be a fairly quick payback if it's $795 to get it done.  Based on several models  I conservatively figure to save around $4000 per year in chemicals and liquid fertilizer.

Thanks again for the help,

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Fefernuse
Posted 1/22/2011 11:50 (#1565068 - in reply to #1564862)
Subject: RE: EZ Guide 500 to Hardi 5500 controller for swath control?



Litchfield MN.

Here is a link that you need to check out http://www.hardi.com.au/en-au/TechnicalInfo/~/media/extranet/australia/Website/Support/manuals%20operators/controllers/Trimble-HC5500-Installation_0909.ashx  Click on the link and it will download, may take a little time, just wait for it.

It is a guide for connecting Trimble Ez-guide 500 auto section to Hadrdi 5500 controller.
On page 13 it says "Note: the Hardi 5500 controller must have firmware version 3.16 or higher installed and have a Jobcom control box connected for it to work correctly with the Ez-guide 500 lightbar."

Some sprayers have the Jobcoms some don't. Depends on model.

This guide tells you everything you need to do to have auto-section control.

My dealer quoted me $1,495.00 for the jobcom, $30.00 for a cable & $750.00 for the unlock code.
$2,275.00 total to do it,  If you don't already have the Jobcom.



Edited by Fefernuse 1/22/2011 11:53
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Jmark71
Posted 1/22/2011 14:35 (#1565365 - in reply to #1565068)
Subject: RE: EZ Guide 500 to Hardi 5500 controller for swath control?



Kentucky

Thanks, that is a very helpful link.  I didn't find that doing a search on the Hardi site.  Reading the material did lead to another question.  Can the job com be internal in the HC 5500 controller?  My HC5500 is version 4.0.  This was unclear to me in reading the tech bulletin.  If the job com control box must exist as a separate box, then I know that I don't have one.  I wish the tech bulletin had a pic of the job com other than the close up connections and I wish the layout for all connections were in the same diagram with the EZ 500 -- i.e. which ports would be used to connect to job com if the com1 port was connected to the EZ 500.

One more thought -- is the job com located with the cab controls or on the sprayer itself?



Edited by Jmark71 1/22/2011 14:38
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Fefernuse
Posted 1/22/2011 15:42 (#1565450 - in reply to #1565365)
Subject: RE: EZ Guide 500 to Hardi 5500 controller for swath control?



Litchfield MN.

As I understand it (so take it for what it's worth) the jobcom is a sperate box mounted on the sprayer that plugs into the existing wireing harness at that point and no extra wires come into the cab. Sprayers that have the steerable axels have one , I'm not sure what other features require one. I just know I don't have one.
I'm in the middle of researching this for my sprayer also, so I haven't actually done it yet. Hope I'm not giving you inacurrate information but this is my understanding of how it works.

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Jmark71
Posted 1/22/2011 18:15 (#1565679 - in reply to #1565450)
Subject: RE: EZ Guide 500 to Hardi 5500 controller for swath control?



Kentucky

Thanks again, as I read bits and pieces, I am coming to the same conclusion.  I plan to call Hardi tech support on Monday.  The number I have for tech support is 866-770-7063.  I'll let you know what I find out.

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sandfarmer
Posted 1/22/2011 20:10 (#1565885 - in reply to #1565679)
Subject: Re: EZ Guide 500 to Hardi 5500 controller for swath control?



Please post back what you find, I've been following this thread. I have a Nav 4000 with 5500 controller from Hardi and Trimble 750 display. IF its not too much trouble then would be interested in adding boom section control. Thanks.


Mike
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Jmark71
Posted 1/24/2011 09:28 (#1569104 - in reply to #1565450)
Subject: RE: EZ Guide 500 to Hardi 5500 controller for swath control?



Kentucky

Fefernuse - 1/22/2011 14:42

As I understand it (so take it for what it's worth) the jobcom is a sperate box mounted on the sprayer that plugs into the existing wireing harness at that point and no extra wires come into the cab. Sprayers that have the steerable axels have one , I'm not sure what other features require one. I just know I don't have one.
I'm in the middle of researching this for my sprayer also, so I haven't actually done it yet. Hope I'm not giving you inacurrate information but this is my understanding of how it works.



Dale,
   I think I've got this thing figured out after the conversation with Hardi Tech.  For those with the Commander series sprayers (4400, 6600, etc.), the job com is on the sprayer behind the panel on the platform.  Sprayers that have the steering axles all have job coms whether the option for steering was installed or not, just as you said.  The only thing that is needed to get swath control is Hardi part number 59043 (cable) to connect the HC 5500 controller to an EZ Guide 500 through the com ports.  Of course the variable rate/swath control feature must be unlocked on the EZ 500.  I would assume that the new Trimble 750 would be compatible, but might require a different cable.
  For those with Navigator series sprayers it is a little more costly, but can be done.  Nav sprayers don't have job coms so that must be added.  The cost is ~$1500.  The cable and unlock are the same for HC 5500 monitors.

   Hardi Tech was very helpful and the rep asked me to post the toll free number on this thread for those with questions.  The number is 866-770-7063.  Thanks for all the help and the link to find the tech bulletin.

   I also hope this helps SandFarmer

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sandfarmer
Posted 1/24/2011 12:04 (#1569378 - in reply to #1569104)
Subject: RE: EZ Guide 500 to Hardi 5500 controller for swath control?



Thanks Jmark, that answers alot of questions. I will call my local dealer and see what we can do.


Mike
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Fefernuse
Posted 1/24/2011 12:48 (#1569445 - in reply to #1569104)
Subject: RE: EZ Guide 500 to Hardi 5500 controller for swath control?



Litchfield MN.

Thanks for the update, sounds like a reasonable thing to do cost wise and I like not haveing another box in the cab.

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paulmac
Posted 1/26/2011 02:37 (#1573375 - in reply to #1564055)
Subject: Re: EZ Guide 500 to Hardi 5500 controller for swath control?


Australia

Wow that's a lot cheaper than I was quoted in Australia. (AU$3750 to upgrade Navigator with Jobcom Box) I gave up in the idea because of the price.

Is the upgrade and installation of the jobcom box something a dumb farmer like me could do, or does it take a lot of tech knowledge? Are there detailed instructions available on how to do it?

Wondering if I could buy the jobcom from some nice, helpful dealler in the US??  ;-)

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