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JDAMS2601
Posted 1/19/2011 16:02 (#1558934)
Subject: Variable rate and map starter fert on 1770 XP


AMS Specialist
I have a customer running a model year 2011, 1770 CCS 16RW XP and we want to run variable rate starter fertilizer (3-5gal), we also need this fertilizer application to be mapped by the GS2, we are also trying to stay away from ground driven pumps if possible. Are there any pre-existing harnesses we can tie into with a GS2 Rate Controller (PF81113 & PF81115)? We would like to avoid running extension harnesses from the cab as well or at least keep wiring to a minimum. How can I do this and with what part#'s? Lastly, if that won’t be an option would we be able to add another VRD motor for the fertilizer the same way the existing VRD motors are for seed population? If this would be possible how/where would we tie into existing harnesses? If there are any other suggestions on how I can get this 1770 to variable rate starter fertilizer as well as map it with the GS2 I'd love to hear it!

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amstech
Posted 1/19/2011 18:17 (#1559118 - in reply to #1558934)
Subject: Re: Variable rate and map starter fert on 1770 XP


west central IL.
http://www.surefireag.com/
We have used the electric tower system from surefire ag to do what I believe you are describing and have been well pleased with the results.
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mcline
Posted 1/20/2011 08:44 (#1560391 - in reply to #1558934)
Subject: Re: Variable rate and map starter fert on 1770 XP



Ladoga, IN, United States, North America, Earth
Surefire fertilizer system is the way to go for what you are wanting to do. The electric tower pump system is what you would need for that low rate application. We have put on quite a few over the last 3 years and have had only 1 failure. It hooks right up to the rate controller and they give you all the instructions for the calibration numbers and PWM settings.
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mwwz760
Posted 1/20/2011 09:24 (#1560494 - in reply to #1558934)
Subject: Re: Variable rate and map starter fert on 1770 XP


Atwood, KS
JDAMS2601. Matt Wolters from SureFire. I'd be happy to visit with you about this application. As the other posters have said, we do offer a couple of solutions to achieve your customer's scenario. Please call at (785) 626-2791 or drop me an e-mail at matt@surefireag.com.
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tedbear
Posted 1/20/2011 10:11 (#1560614 - in reply to #1558934)
Subject: RE: Variable rate and map starter fert on 1770 XP


Southern Minnesota Between Freeborn & Wells
JDAMS2601 - 1/19/2011 15:02

I have a customer running a model year 2011, 1770 CCS 16RW XP and we want to run variable rate starter fertilizer (3-5gal), we also need this fertilizer application to be mapped by the GS2, we are also trying to stay away from ground driven pumps if possible. Are there any pre-existing harnesses we can tie into with a GS2 Rate Controller (PF81113 & PF81115)? We would like to avoid running extension harnesses from the cab as well or at least keep wiring to a minimum. How can I do this and with what part#'s? Lastly, if that won’t be an option would we be able to add another VRD motor for the fertilizer the same way the existing VRD motors are for seed population? If this would be possible how/where would we tie into existing harnesses? If there are any other suggestions on how I can get this 1770 to variable rate starter fertilizer as well as map it with the GS2 I'd love to hear it!



We have several customers who add an additional rate controller to handle the fertilizer.

A common scenario is to use a hyd centrifugal pump and run through Raven controls (flowmeter and butterfly control valve). Many of our customers desire to have the fertilizer setup in sections (four is the most common) so the flow is split to go to two sets of two ON/OFF valves which are mounted on the wings of the larger planters. After the ON/OFF valves the flow enters a bank of Wilger visual flow indicators which split the fertilizer into the individual rows. The flow indicators also allow the operator to visually confirm that each row is operating properly.

We make a cable that plugs into the 37 Pin connector out of the Deere rate controller and connects to the Raven Flowmeter, Raven Control Valve and Banjo ON/OFF valves that we typically use. In fact I am in the process of making more today as we have sold the ones I had made up earlier.

Below are some typical pictures. The first shows a Raven Flowmeter and Control valve mounted on a planter. The second shows a pair of Banjo valves mounted on the wings of a planter. The third shows a typical Wilger Flow monitor/manifold used to distribute the fertilizer and monitor its flow. Not shown are the pump, tank and fertilizer placement products.

Edited by tedbear 1/21/2011 09:17




(Flowmeter Control Only Deere Planter.jpg)



(2 Banjo Wings Deere Planter.jpg)



(Wilger on Planter.jpg)



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4wdaaron
Posted 1/20/2011 17:43 (#1561444 - in reply to #1558934)
Subject: Re: Variable rate and map starter fert on 1770 XP


These guys have a similar setup:
http://totalagindustries.com/index.php/products/custom-built-fertil...
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mcline
Posted 1/21/2011 11:10 (#1562999 - in reply to #1558934)
Subject: Re: Variable rate and map starter fert on 1770 XP



Ladoga, IN, United States, North America, Earth
It didn't sound like from your original post that you had a fertilizer system on it. With the surefire everything is back on the planter and it plugs into your GS2 rate controller which then plugs into your main CAN harness back on the planter. You shouldn't need to run any wire from the tractor back.

Give Matt a call at Surefire. He will get you the prices that you need. I would have to call him to get prices just the same.
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