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jpron
Posted 11/30/2010 10:42 (#1461179)
Subject: opinion on john deere 4430


western wi
I am looking for opinions on a 4430 tractor. any big watch outs or things to consider before buying one? I need a manure hauler and possibly use for spraying. I don't need nothing fancy just something dependable. thanks in advance
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msb
Posted 11/30/2010 11:23 (#1461241 - in reply to #1461179)
Subject: Re: opinion on john deere 4430


Lapel, In
Check to see how hard one is to start.That will tell you alot. Anything over 8,000 to 10,000 should have had an underhaul,especially if the pump has been turned up.Also about that time, the injection pump often needs rebuilt. Rear end should no longer be a concern by now. Some had problems in the early years. Check for ease of shifting.Many of the 4430s are in need of new cab mount biscuits and cause the hard shifting,but its an easy fix. I think enough of them that I own two. One will be for sale if I can find a 4455 FWA. Both are in great condition.
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money
Posted 11/30/2010 11:54 (#1461281 - in reply to #1461179)
Subject: RE: opinion on john deere 4430


east of indianapolis
I think they are great tractors. I have 2 one with cab one without. Also had a 4020 and sold it 4430 lots better in my mind. Big enough to do work but yet small enough to dink around. I will agree with hard starting but I think Nature of the tractor. My dad has a 1973 i think with 12500 hrs bnever been touched until this fall and I took pump off because of leaks, $800 later as good as new. Good luck
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easymoney
Posted 11/30/2010 12:03 (#1461293 - in reply to #1461179)
Subject: Re: opinion on john deere 4430


ecmn
great machines, simple and cheap hp. other than regular maintenance they can be a great tractor! when you test drive one if it has a hard time getting into D range or pops out of any range or gear, dont take the guys word for it that its a simple adjustment.
chances are if you can find a nice clean one with reasonable hours that runs and drives nice, it will be a nice tractor. a block heater goes a long ways. for what you want i would have not have a second thought of buying one.
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KDD
Posted 11/30/2010 12:34 (#1461343 - in reply to #1461179)
Subject: Re: opinion on john deere 4430



Leesburg, Ohio
The only thing one that starts hard will tell you is that it is a typical 4430. They become a totally different animal with a 4440 pump and new injectors...lots easier to start, and lots more steady low end torque. You can actually start a load without killing it, and without having to rev it all the way up and dump the clutch.
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JoeR
Posted 11/30/2010 14:19 (#1461460 - in reply to #1461179)
Subject: Re: opinion on john deere 4430



NW Iowa
Agree, they are good tractors. Ours has somewhere over 12k hours on it. Went from 'heavy' tillage tractor to planter tractor, and now to loader tractor. Very versitile around our farm. Ours does start hard when its anywhere getting close to 40 degrees out. Just plug it in when it's cold. Ours has been overhauled once (or twice...?), had the gears go bad for B1-2 which needed a little attention, and the pump has been redone. Other than that, it's been a really solid, reliable tractor.
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Bruce NW Ia
Posted 11/30/2010 14:56 (#1461502 - in reply to #1461179)
Subject: RE: opinion on john deere 4430


Cherokee County, Northwest Iowa
Jack up rear end and check for axle bearing play. Excellent tractors, still have 1977 model. bh
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midniteplowboyy
Posted 11/30/2010 17:23 (#1461633 - in reply to #1461179)
Subject: Re: opinion on john deere 4430


Thats one of my favorite tractors. I have two of them with syncro ranges and a 4440 with quadrange and 4450ps. One 4430 has 20.8 -38's and the other has 20.8-34's, the one with 34's is my favorite loader/dinker around tractor, it rides much better and much more nimble, more like a 4020.

For foward/reverse loader work I like the sycrorange better than the other two transmissions, its as fast shifting as you can get without getting a newer tractor with a reverser. The reverse in the quadrange is alot faster than the foward gear right next two it, where as the syncrorange 3f/3r or 5f/5r is geared about the same, you can quickly togggle bewteen forward/reverse on either trans. For plow work the quadrange is a nice trans.

For hard starting, make sure the aneroid cable/linkage is working. I replace the checkvalves in the liftpumps once a year, there cheap. Some of the 4430's didn't have the third checkvalve on the fuel filter housing which can be added, also sometimes this check valve gets a piece of trash stuck in it. When its cold I always pump the hand primer a few strokes just in case the fuel has leaked down. But as mentioned the 404 is a harder starting engines than the newer 466 and alot of other engines, but with good fuel system/batteries and cables they aint that bad.

One of mine has 17,300 hours with pretty much everything rebuilt over the years and the other one has 10,800 with not much work done but it needs it.
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showboat
Posted 11/30/2010 17:32 (#1461649 - in reply to #1461179)
Subject: Never Thought I'd See The Day....


Never thought I'd see the day when there would be a chorus of accolades for a 4430. My first tractor was a 4430. I paid 18k for it. Kept it 8 years, and split it every other year.....4 times @ $5-7k per incident. Spent more money "fixing" that tractor than I paid for it. Finally traded it off in year 8, and it needed splitting again. Clutch, differential, transmission,final drives, --you name it, I fixed it.

I won't have another one, however, I have the 4440 that I traded for in l981, and it's never been in the shop. Spend a few bucks more, and get a 4440. Cab is nicer, and much more reliable. showboat
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combinejockey
Posted 11/30/2010 22:47 (#1462421 - in reply to #1461649)
Subject: RE: Never Thought I'd See The Day....


Good god, how hard are you on equipent? I had one that I put 5000hrs on in 7 yr and know several more that were no where the problem you talk of.
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plowboy
Posted 12/1/2010 04:40 (#1462657 - in reply to #1461343)
Subject: Re: opinion on john deere 4430



Brazilton KS
If you are going to do that you may as well go to a 55 series governor.  It is at least as much better compared to the 40 as the 40 is compared to the 30...actually I would say twice as much improvement.
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dieselade
Posted 12/1/2010 06:53 (#1462710 - in reply to #1462657)
Subject: Re: opinion on john deere 4430


wc in
plowboy - 12/1/2010 04:40

If you are going to do that you may as well go to a 55 series governor.  It is at least as much better compared to the 40 as the 40 is compared to the 30...actually I would say twice as much improvement.

plowboy, to which thread are you responding to??? i didnt read anything about a goveernor. or did i and still missed it.
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plowboy
Posted 12/17/2010 21:33 (#1491919 - in reply to #1462710)
Subject: Re: opinion on john deere 4430



Brazilton KS
Reply is to KDD's comment about using a 4440 pump and injectors.  I said to change the torque capsule while you are at it. 
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