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|So it seems I can get either GSI, Sukup, Lambton or Brock bins for my new setup. What experiences have you guys had with these brands? Looking at 36' storage and 21' hopper bin as tall as I can build them. Is there any brand built better than the rest? Any one to avoid? Or just go with the best supplier and price? Thanks... |
Oxford County, ON
|Based on our experience, I would stay away from Lambton. We had them put up our 30' x 7 ring top-dry dryer bin. The cement work in particular wasn't well done, and after-sales service was terrible to non-existent. A Lambton bin is basically a Sukup anyway. The fans on our dryer say Sukup right on them.|
|We put up 5 - 36' Westeel bins in the last 3 years. Really like them. It came down to the Brock and Westeel. Decided to buy Canadian made product. |
|Other than the concrete what problems did you have with the top dry? I'm looking at GSI vs. Lambton top dry, but havn't got firm pricing on either yet. They buy the fans from sukup and build the bins themselves, sukup is just the fan supplier....|
|Have always liked Brock bins untill last September. We had 100 mph plus straight line winds and our 42 foot brock did not like it.|
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|couple years ago local coop had a 48ft Sukup that looked like that after an evening storm. Probably not the bins fault in either case.|
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|I have a 21 foot wet holding and 42 foot storage bin next to my Stormor topdry both of them are Brock, I have had real good luck with brock well built and there unload system is awesome. They both have power sweeps in them. No problems. My neighbor has a sukup and the unload slides are sticky and the power sweep drive mechanism is very flimsy, bent the first time we tryed to ingage it .|
|Have a GSI, Brock, and a Sioux. They all have good points and areas that need improvements. If you have a supplier that you trust go with them and you should be happy. Put up a sioux 36x9 this spring and the sioux,gsi,and brock all weighed within 180lbs of each other. Good luck.|
|Sukup has been selling bin components like fans, discharges, sweeps for a longtime to be installed in any bin. They then realized they just as well be selling the bin as well. I have two of them and think they are as good or better than anything out there. I asked the bin erector about quality of bins and he said the Sukup goes together better than most. Chief is one of the worst.|
Oxford County, ON
|They don't tell you jack about how to run it, first of all. |
Second, we told them for 3 seasons that is was too slow and they just kept telling us "it's fine." We literally couldn't get the plenum over 160 degF unless it was over 10 degC and sunny... and the gas meter cranked about 5psi over the recommended limit (their idea.) After we finally got somebody to come out, the guy looked it over for a while and said "oh, the orifice is too small for the size of your bin." Who knows how much time/propane/money that cost us.
The wiring schematic was basically useless for our electrician to follow when he was wiring the bin and control panel. He had to wire it by trial and error and then draw up his own schematic.
We originally had a 6-blade fan on the burner unit that completely disintegrated one night. We got lucky; it didn't sever any gas lines or wreck the motor or body of the unit. Turns out there was an update to a 5-blade that they never got around to installing, let alone telling us about. The new fan isn't balanced properly and we never did get them to do anything about it.
We're on our 6th season with the dryer now, and it really does work pretty good now that the kinks have been worked out. Just don't expect much service from them.
P.S. One recommendation for whatever type of dryer bin you get: If you have the burner unit mounted at the top of the bin, point it AWAY from the road. People always drive down the road, see the steam, see the flames in the burner, and at the very least come tearing up the driveway to tell us our bin is on fire. The lazy ones just call 9-1-1 and keep driving.
If you're looking at drying systems, and you will be doing 100k+ don't stop looking when it comes to "in-bin" systems. Best thing you can do is find a continuous flow that will do what you need cooled and dried on an average year, that you can turn on to full heat on a year like 2009. Our Superb is not set up this way, but our next dryer will be.
The dryers that recover the heat while cooling are much more efficient than those that do not.
|I wouldn't be too dissapointed by one bin doing that. We've had 3 100mph storms in the last few years. The GSI bins will do that every time one rolls through. Our Brocks are all still straight.|
|Give Mike a call at JC millwrights in Listowel ,ont 519 291 9098- cell519 291 7862 He builds systems all over Ontario and he has worked with all different bin builders and suppliers. I would personaly recomend Westeel also little more money but worth it.|
|Good advice, thanks. my main issue is the structure of the bin and the quality of the doors and fit of panels together. I'm looking at doing bottom mount, but it's going to have to face the road. I've only ever had one lady stop in at dad's dryer thinking there was a fire. As soon as she saw me slowly walking across the yard i think she figured it out. Probly someone who didn't know and wanted to.....|
|-- "competitors" say that there sheets come flat and then rolled -punched with a machine that was purchased used from another bin mfg. , whereas gsi,sukup,brock,ect are formed from rolls of stell...do notice lambton are not quite as cosmetic looking...price wise they are cheapest..........think prices are with in 10% you should go for service...driving down #3 hwy. at port alma area yesterday there is a big new dryer-bin expansion and they where still welding-cutting on it,I saw it starting too go up in early sept. ,,thinking here is one pixxed farmer who spent 300k?? and didn't have it done for harvest--lucky harvest prices where good...looked like dealer from dresden on. truck|
|Your fans might be sukups, Im doubting your bin is....... Anything sukup makes has its name plastered everywhere on it. Around here many other bin manufacturere have sukup floors,fans, etc in them.|
Edited by Newguy 11/24/2010 08:33
|We really like the last brock that we put up...our next will definitely be a brock|
|My Gsi/Farm Fans didn't either!|
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|The Brocks don't fair so well either!|
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|Curious about your neighbors Sukup unloads? Do they have the new Rack and Pinion openers? Between Brock and Sukup's unloads I would pick a Sukup in a heartbeat. Know a farmer who had a Brock powersweep wheel wear out the first trip around the bin in a 36'.|
|Product is important but even more so the company that makes it - whenever I am to make a substantial investment I do a little research then type "company's full name" and then "litigation". I worked with a bin manufacturer to develop a product and wished I had done this research prior to investing all that time and effort to enrich them with no credit or compensation for my efforts. Hind sit is 20/20 - a very hard lesson learned. Don't be taken in by their advertising or public image do some research so you have a better idea what will happen when things go wrong. |
My exclusive, in-state manufacturer, for the bins I use, is Conrad American/Hawkeye Steel (they can ship around the world). My needs are much more extensive than most and the criteria I use is more stringent. More than anything though is my need for a company with a strong ethical base and great customer service - I do work all over the country and need to be able to count on my source. Not only are their prices reasonable, but they go above and beyond the call of duty to accommodate my custom requests - sheet gauging, mismatched roof sizes for bins, diameters and punching holes, parts lists etc. Their roofs are very strong and I need this because we lift whole bins for almost every project. We lift one bin over another and fill the space between them with insulation (foam). These are inhabited structures so I have a much higher need for safety.
Bins are very elegantly engineered (minimalist) structures, but they have limitations - in the "failed' bin photos from side-loaded wind forces look how little material there is for how much load the bins are subjected to (full of grain). Point loads - such as sideways wind are not what they are designed for. Bin stiffeners at the top of the wall will more likely keep the bin from collapsing under straight line winds when it is not full - you have to decide if you want to gamble with the wind - most locations for bins are exposed and windy; even still they don't fail that often.
When you go to order anything ask questions and talk to people first - spending money wisely takes time. If you've had a failure ask how to avoid it in the future.
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