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Minot, ND | what hybrids would you guys recommend me taking a look at. i will be farming anywhere from 2-3 circles next year and the water will range from 400-500 depends on the circle. so if you could give me a couple hybrids for 400 gpm and 500 gpm i would appreciate it. It is also going to be in SW KS so it will have to be able to withstand some fairly high tempatures and it gets pretty windy here at time also. so green snap is some wat of an issue. and i would not count on much help from mother nature throughout the summer unless its in a frozen form. thanks and please state why u would recommend that certain hybrid. thanks alot. (one circle is going to be corn-on-corn and the 500 gpm well will be following half sunflowers and half milo |
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Thamesville, Ontario, Canada | Don't grow Pioneer. We have grown Pioneer before and was given some Dekalb varieties to put up against the Pioneer. They blew them out of the water. Not saying to go with Dekalb either, but stay away from Pioneer. |
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SW IA | agree with caseguy. Dont plany pioneer unless you want all of your corn on the ground after a 10mph wind |
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streator illinois | never had a problem here with Pioneer... knock on wood |
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Soutwest Ks. | I am not a dealer for any company and I have tried many different companies over the years. I'm at the point unless it is Pioneer I wouldn't plant it even if it was free. I've been down that road too many times. In SW KS we have such extreme weather patterns and I've found almost all of the other competitor hybrids fall apart in a tough year. In a good year I've found Dekalb or DynaGrow to be competitive with Pioneer but not better. The hybrids that Pioneer normally pushes out here are developed especially for our conditions and they shine for the most part. Pioneer 33B54 would be a good one for your limited water, also 35F40 is planted on many acres of dryland and limited irr. here. I realize I came on quite strong with my statement about competitive varieties and I apologize if this upsets someone but all I can do is relate my own personal experience and many of my neighbors. Ask your neighbors. Last year one of the big farmers in my area was offered special pricing on Dekalb seed. He switched everything over. This year he has very little if any Dekalb planted. |
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Manteno Illinois 50 miles south of Chicago | Never had Pioneer go down. In fact it stands very very good. And if you want test weight it's got it. And I would never make such a broad statement,they all have some good numbers |
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Flora IL | Really like dekalb and dynagrow as well... a few years ago in our best field with the most moisture the dekalb did 38 bushel better... in our poor fields with side by side the dekalb did 28 better.... both were supposed to be for that kinda field..
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Colby, KS | I'd look at 35F40 or 35F44. They are around 106 day. They don't have a lot of earflex, but stress pretty good. A good fit for limited irrigation. If you want something longer, look at 33B49 or 33B54 (111 day). They stress very well, but don't like to drydown. They are older numbers and Pioneer is trying to get rid of them, but they are still some of the best for western kansas.
I had some 35F44 on limited irrigation (350gpm) last year and it made 210. Planted it again this year. Harvested at 17-18% in mid-October and had no lodging at all. The trick to combat lodging (with any hybrid) is to plant the right population for your yield goal. Unless you can realistically expect more than 250 bushels per acre, IMHO, planting more than 28000 is overpopulating (and therefore adding stress).
With my limited water, I plant 22-24K. It can still make over 200, and realistically, my yield goal is 180 and I can get over 200 if I'm lucky with the weather.
Also, to minimize green snap and lodging issues, just simply use NO 2,4-D and NO dicamba. It's Roundup Ready for a reason -- use roundup. Add Status if you have resistance problems. I'm amazed at the guys that plant RR corn and still spray dicamba and wonder why they get greensnap.
Edited by nwksmilo 8/3/2010 19:02
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| 35F44 would be a good option. Excellent drought tolerance. |
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Kossuth county, Iowa | Saw the same thing with Channel vs. Pioneer a few years ago but the Channel was 43 bushel better (36w69 vs 205-94). Tried a few bags of Pioneer this year to see if anything's changed? We don't irrigate so maybe that make a huge difference?
Edited by JD8330 8/3/2010 19:31
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Minot, ND | ok im a real good friend with a garst dealer and he recommends the 35f40 out of pioneer. but the main reason im going pioneer is because the guy that is backing me 100% is sold on pioneer and its his land his equipment and his money so ill just try to keep him happy and hope i can make a profit out of it. but the pioneer dealer here always seems to recommend fairly high pop. was kinda surpised he only recommended 24k pop with 33h27 and 33b54 on a 350 gpm well. surprised it wasnt a little higher. im not a fan of 33b49(non BT version of b54 if i remember) last yr the b54 beat it by 5-10 bushels and the 33h27 beat the 54 by 15 bushels all on the same circle |
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Hoxie, KS, Northwest Kansas | I would maybe look at 33D49 the hybrid was developed in garden city. F40 and F44 genetics fit drought very well. I have grown then both and they both work good. With your longer growing season D49 will probably out yield the F40. |
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Minot, ND | F40/44 and D49 so far. im not a fan of B54 at all even though it supposedly really good, just not a fan of it. i dont mind 33h27 if anyone has an opinion about it. just not real high on the 250 dollar a bag seed. |
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streator illinois | better yield=more money so the price doesnt look that bad.... except when you right out the check for it |
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Colby, KS | I've never seen 33H27 in the field.....and I worked for Pioneer from 1999-2007. It's either new since 07 or they didn't bring it very far north. (I'm Not in the seed business anymore)
33B54 never looks like the best corn in the field, but often is. It's often the wettest at harvest time too. I've seen it in the 270's on irrigation and 218 dryland. When I still worked for Pioneer, we tried to place 33B54 on <500 gal wells and 33D47 on better water.
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Minot, ND | i guess ill see how well 33b54 does this yr we got 60 acres of it up against 60 acres of 33h27 |
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| around here its called dieoneer. I know of a local farmer that was given 8 bags of pioneer to put up against a monsanto brand. He slit the planter half and half. We had a strong wind and the pioneer green snapped and the monsanto brand was standing strong. I personally think they all have a good hybrid or two you just need to find a company that has a good line up to fit your operation with the customer service that you want. |
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Hoxie, KS, Northwest Kansas | I have to think that the B54 will outyield the H27 IMHO. Up here H27 is a defensive hybrid not a top end yielder. Its got a good disease package and goss's wilt tolerance but the top end yield is not there (up here in my enviro). The B54 has better drought tolerance than D49 although not by much B54 rates an 8 on their scale and D49 is a 7. We have D49 planted on a ridge till irrigated field with a 550 gpm well on 140 acres at 28K and there is no stress at all it appears to be 220-240 bu corn as of today (cross our fingers and hope for the best). D49 has tremendous flex and so does B54 so they both will fit shorter wells. Do you guys strip till or what will the tillage be? For the most amount of yield data from any pioneer product use this site http://www.pioneer.com/web/site/portal/menuitem.0128f8e2dab251f7bc0... on the right hand side it will say yield data just tell it you want corn, your radius from the zip code you enter, type in a zip code and start comparing hybrids from anywhere in the united states. |
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Perryton, TX | look at P1508HR new this year 115day spose to have more top end than 33B54 but not need as much well as 33D49. If you have the water(6gallon/acre) 33D49 would be the best choice. This may sound rude but why are guys from the midwest knocking pioneer that is going to be in sw kansas? Im not form KS but its only 45 miles away, how far is Iowa from sw ks? |
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NE Indiana | Pioneer 35K04 was great corn for me last year with great test weight. |
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Minot, ND | around here pioneer is the top corn seed company. |
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| ill agree with all of the mentioned pioneer hybrids, 35f40 for early "beat the heat" tough dryland, 34r67 seems like it will always do a shade better on the same fields than 35f40 because of kernal size but does green snap easier, 33b54 has always been one of my favorites to put anywhere, has huge ear flex and will compete very well in both tough dryland and good bottoms or IRR fields, 33d49 is really starting to be pushed around here because of its drought tolerance(well there has been lots of rain the last 3-4 years) but this one still does very well.
what works here may not necessarily work in iowa or Ill, you have a pretty good refrence list here of all these numbers, we cant all be wrong. . . . |
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| Status is okay, but NO dicamba? what do you think is in Status?
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Minot, ND | if my memory serves me right does clarity/clarifier have dicamba in it also. but it also has a safener in it to prevent it from hurting the corn |
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Pioneer Hybrids ( corn )
