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Emeran
Posted 7/16/2010 05:38 (#1275396)
Subject: corn planters case vs. deere


east central ontario
looking at buying a new corn planter and was wondering what planter is the best for dollars. 1220 8rn caseih or a 1780 8rn deere. The deere is more money but a little more solid but the case does a nice job also. Was wondering if anybody else has compared the two?
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RICK NCMD
Posted 7/16/2010 06:13 (#1275405 - in reply to #1275396)
Subject: RE: corn planters case vs. deere



Bugkiller will have an interesting opinion, but I think he is a little biased.

I would say it comes down to what you have been running and what your used to. Dealer support is a must.
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DIESEL3439
Posted 7/16/2010 07:06 (#1275420 - in reply to #1275396)
Subject: Re: corn planters case vs. deere


SW Wisconsin
I bought a new 1780 6rn this year and love it, I think the 6 and 8 rows are very similar. They are very heavy built planters, Order the vac. and the pro shafts drives.
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CaseFarmer
Posted 7/16/2010 07:26 (#1275431 - in reply to #1275420)
Subject: Re: corn planters case vs. deere


Flora IL
Most will tell u its a great planter. Some have had terrible luck. Neighbor bought a new one this past year and no issues and is very happy with the job it did and he's very picky

No extra addons to make it work great or for not-till



Edited by CaseFarmer 7/16/2010 07:33
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Gerard
Posted 7/16/2010 07:35 (#1275436 - in reply to #1275396)
Subject: Re: corn planters case vs. deere



Woodham, Ontario
I bought a new 1780 in 2005, planted 6 crops of corn with it now. Very solid frame and units. If want dry fert on it a cross auger is a must. The drive on top of the frame wheels keeps the chains away from mud and trash. The vac works well for me, went to esets to plant 2 varieties at the same time. The markers are a weak spot, they stick out too much and easily get caught. I have seen one 1780 with markers from a 1590 drill. Looked much better, but $$$. Use gps now anyway.

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Edited by Gerard 7/16/2010 07:38
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Emeran
Posted 7/16/2010 08:22 (#1275497 - in reply to #1275436)
Subject: Re: corn planters case vs. deere


east central ontario
some say the case 1220 does better job spacing the seed?
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cwjones
Posted 7/16/2010 09:21 (#1275581 - in reply to #1275497)
Subject: Re: corn planters case vs. deere


Southern Indiana
I hate to say it but the Deere will probably make you a better planter. If you get the Vac, which I recommend, I would only get it if you install Precision Planting E-Sets. Deere has really proven themselves in the planter market. The Case-IH planter is good at singulation but horrible with spacing. I promise you that the Deere will make you happy, especially if you have a decent dealer!
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Pat H
Posted 7/16/2010 09:45 (#1275607 - in reply to #1275581)
Subject: Re: corn planters case vs. deere


The concept behind the case unit is a larger seed disk that spins slower vs. JD and others. It should be better at singulation. The spacing issue probably has as much to do with what happens to the seed once it leaves the disk. I wonder if case needs some sort of bullseye seed tube (I'm really only familiar with the 800 type units, so I don't know how the 1200's are configured).

thanks,

Pat
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REDMAN2188
Posted 7/16/2010 10:02 (#1275623 - in reply to #1275607)
Subject: Re: corn planters case vs. deere


north,ala
cwjones (in my area )you wont find a deere (especialy a vac )spacing better than mine with a 1200 (1250), my 1250 is better than my pp finger meters , the row unit its self is far better .
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40DODGE
Posted 7/16/2010 11:14 (#1275687 - in reply to #1275581)
Subject: Re: From what I see....



W. Kansas
Precision Planting E-Sets have put the John Deere planter near the top of the market, not John Deere themselves. Take factory meter out, put aftermarket on and still pay a premium....makes sense to me!
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tbulldozer
Posted 7/16/2010 12:24 (#1275746 - in reply to #1275687)
Subject: Re: From what I see....


Darke County, Ohio
We run a 1770 NT 12 row vac with E Sets. It really will give you the picket fence stand everyone shoots for.
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DOC
Posted 7/16/2010 14:43 (#1275869 - in reply to #1275623)
Subject: Re: corn planters case vs. deere


The row unit is better on the Case than the Deere? Are you serious !
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Pat H
Posted 7/16/2010 15:12 (#1275891 - in reply to #1275869)
Subject: Re: corn planters case vs. deere


The staggered openers to a great job of cutting through trash. Many JD planters run a seed firming point just like the case - so it must be a good idea. Dragging the gauge wheels seems like a better idea, but the non-greaseable pivots get to be trouble when the planter gets old. Closing the trench with a couple of disks seems like an idea that will work lots of soil conditions (they can clog with root balls though). Using a wide press wheel seems to be a better idea rather than pinching the trench closed (possibly compacting soil right above the seed). Typical for CNH is a pretty good/superior concept, but not quite executed as well as it could be. This was evidenced in the alignment problems they had with units. It's a concept that could easily be the best if all the bugs get worked out. .

My 2 cents,

Pat

On the other hand JD doesn't always have the best answer, but are possibly more responsive to problems. Also, having made about the same planter for 1.2M years, there has been plenty of time to develop aftermarket and even some oem fixes. Precision planting wouldn't exist without the relatively unchanging 7000 based unit. It's interesting that JD didn't come up with some of the stuff PP did - if all I did was work on planter design, I would hope I would be interested in improving performance. Most of the significant improvements are completely obvious - center seed over tube when it drops (esets) and make the surface the seed rides on smooth so it doesn't bounce around.
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CaseFarmer
Posted 7/16/2010 15:17 (#1275894 - in reply to #1275869)
Subject: Re: corn planters case vs. deere


Flora IL
Yup....another nice part of the case is the gauge wheels are pulled they don't push... there's alot of nice parts about there row unit if you take a minute to learn the differences

have a good day
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Case IH farmer
Posted 7/16/2010 15:22 (#1275900 - in reply to #1275869)
Subject: Re: corn planters case vs. deere



IL
DOC - 7/16/2010 11:43

The row unit is better on the Case than the Deere? Are you serious !


Case IH row unit is far better than the Deere. Even most Deere people will admit that. Case IH 1200 and 1250 space better from the factory than the ESet precision BS that costs a fortune and the Case IH row unit is far better. What amazes me is the Deere planters are so bad from the factory you have to change out parts and spend a bunch of money right after you buy a brand new machine.

At least the Deere is green. That has to add 5-10 BPA right????? LOL!!!!!
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PeteMN
Posted 7/16/2010 17:09 (#1275992 - in reply to #1275687)
Subject: Re: From what I see....


E.Central MN
I don't think you can say JD doesn't have something to do with the value of their planters. Sure after market suppliers have jumped into the market to offer upgrades that make the JD work better. They are willing to do that because the unit sales of JD planters is high enough to justify their development of those items. The planters aren't perfect, but do a good job for most conditions with a little attention to the way the planter is set up.
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Rockman
Posted 7/16/2010 19:11 (#1276090 - in reply to #1275396)
Subject: RE: corn planters case vs. deere


Try to get yourself to a Kevin Kimberly meeting (Monsanto has sponsored him around here). He is a planter guru out of Iowa. He has a lot of pictures proving his opinions on Case vs. Deere vs. White. The Case planter out of the factory will yield better. If you tweak your Deere enough, it will plant fine. If you have heavy wet soils like we do, you will want the leading blade on the Case for less side wall compaction. Good luck.
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flatlick farmer
Posted 7/16/2010 19:36 (#1276119 - in reply to #1276090)
Subject: Re: corn planters case vs. deere



West Kentucky
I watched case IH do a demo several years back. They did it in sand. LOL! It was obvious that they had a unit built for conventional tillage (and it works great in those conditions), but not fit at all for notill. They have made very few changes since that point, so I have a hard time believing that they are much improved from that time. I would say that they have the third or fourth best unit for notill conditions. Definitely behind kinze and JD in my opion.
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RICK NCMD
Posted 7/16/2010 20:55 (#1276216 - in reply to #1276119)
Subject: Re: corn planters case vs. deere



Do WHAT........ not fit for notill! You mean after 26 years of running these red row units and they are not designed for notill. WOW have I been doing it the wrong way all these years. I I I I gotta gotta find a new planter for next year. Maybe I can find one them orange, what is it.........Allis Chalmers planters. Arent they the guys that pioneered the NOOOOOTILLLL planter! Thanx for helping me figure that out. LOL



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white caddy
Posted 7/16/2010 21:13 (#1276240 - in reply to #1275396)
Subject: Re: corn planters case vs. deere


Central Nebraska
In wet conditions sometime the the closing wheels don't get the trench completely closed. After a few days of dry weather the trench will open back up and you can all the way to china. In good soil conditions is works perfect. The pulling of the gauge wheels is a lot better idea than pushing them. I've had agronomist tell me that a case straight from the factory is better than the deere, but if the deere has Precision stuff on it then they are about equal.
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flatlick farmer
Posted 7/16/2010 21:24 (#1276260 - in reply to #1276216)
Subject: Re: corn planters case vs. deere



West Kentucky
What are the soil conditions there? (this is a real question, not a smart remark, lol!) There use to be a few that would use them here, but they all ended up having to work there ground in front of the planter to make them close and seed spacing was no good at all. We had one years ago, but it wasn't an early riser. We also had an AC notill planter (gulp), it worked pretty good in beans if you could carry enough weight on it. Kinze and JD have a strangle hold on the market here. The local CIH dealership sales atleast 10 or 15 to 1 kinze to CIH. They did finally buy one for there own farm after running only kinze for many years.
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RICK NCMD
Posted 7/16/2010 21:46 (#1276284 - in reply to #1276260)
Subject: Re: corn planters case vs. deere



We run in a 14 mile radius of the home base, with an average of 4 different soil types on each farm/field. The picture of the planter has sand under the machine, drive 280 feet to the next knoll and its pure clay. A planter can only be expected to do so much, success comes from merging the abilities of the planter with the knowledge of the operator. We did our first notill in the early 70s with an AC 4 row 40 inch machine.

I was planting notill beans last week in soil that was so dry that it had absolutely no body left to it. Was covering the seed with dust. I was running 4.5 to 5 mph. The deere guys were parked. They couldnt get the seed covered if they went faster than 2 mph.
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CaseFarmer
Posted 7/16/2010 21:57 (#1276298 - in reply to #1276119)
Subject: Re: corn planters case vs. deere


Flora IL
Not for no-till????????????????????????????????
HahahahahaaaAa.
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FactoryFarmer
Posted 7/16/2010 22:47 (#1276380 - in reply to #1276298)
Subject: Re: corn planters case vs. deere


N IL

CaseFarmer - 7/16/2010 20:57 Not for no-till???????????????????????????????? HahahahahaaaAa.

 

Yep, that's right!

 

In this area when you get into the tough soils the red units will more or less just "slot" the seed into the ground.

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Case IH farmer
Posted 7/16/2010 23:29 (#1276448 - in reply to #1276284)
Subject: The Case IH row unit is the best row unit for no-till!!!



IL
The Case IH row unit is the best row unit for no-till!!! Can't believe people on here are saying it isn't good for no-till.
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bigswede
Posted 7/18/2010 08:55 (#1277835 - in reply to #1276240)
Subject: Re: corn planters case vs. deere


I'll run anything if it gets the job done that it is supposed to and doesn't have much repair cost...Versatile tractors....AGCO...CNH...whatever it is............However the idea of buying a new planter only to replace the most important parts with something from an aftermarket company never ceases to amaze me...Red planters have had their troubles but at some point you have to stop looking at color and see what does the best job for the least money...and overall in any test I have seen the 1200 series planter has at least tied for the top overall if not the best
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Pat H
Posted 7/18/2010 15:18 (#1278237 - in reply to #1276448)
Subject: RE: What does JD's notil drill look like?


The 750 is a case planter without the trailing disk. The leading cutter does a nice job of opening up a slot otherwise JD would not have designed it that way. The true V will work by itself in notill, but it works better with something in front of it.

Thanks,

Pat
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Wayne NC IL
Posted 7/19/2010 00:12 (#1278934 - in reply to #1275396)
Subject: Re: corn planters case vs. deere


I have the CIH 1200 8 row 30 planter and have used it for five years. It does a great job. You will like it.
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MikeInFrance
Posted 7/19/2010 05:59 (#1279035 - in reply to #1278934)
Subject: Re: corn planters case vs. deere


Alsace 47°52'46"N 7°24'30"E
I think you have to judge by yourself:
- what are YOUR soil conditions at planting time
- what is your dealer support
- what is your mechanical knowledge
- how good are you at tuning your planter to your conditions
- how many acres do you plant
- what are you in the market for? (new vs used) If new, is your dealer willing to sell a customized planter with OEM parts?
- do you have a maintenance plan?
- what is your budget
- Do you intend to keep the planter for short / medium / long term?
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