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collegeboy
Posted 3/5/2010 21:35 (#1106772)
Subject: pinning 5th wheel for end dump



Slicker than a Yes album.
Any way of doing this without welding angle under the plate? Be nice to have the swivel when using a hopper the rest of the time.
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eddiedry
Posted 3/5/2010 21:40 (#1106782 - in reply to #1106772)
Subject: Re: pinning 5th wheel for end dump



Wheatley, Arkansas
Ours have @ 1'' pipe welded to the plate and seperate pieces welded to the side. To lock you put a 1'' pin through the three pipes, for free play on the plate, pull the pin. If you'd like I'll get some pics tomorrow.
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Smoothlander
Posted 3/5/2010 21:42 (#1106785 - in reply to #1106772)
Subject: Re: pinning 5th wheel for end dump



We have two T-800's that must have run end dumps in their former life, they had round pipe welded on either side of the front of the plate that I assumed was used to pin the plates. I will try to take pictures tomorrow if you would like.
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towman2000
Posted 3/5/2010 21:43 (#1106789 - in reply to #1106772)
Subject: RE: pinning 5th wheel for end dump


SouthCentral WI
Weld a couple of mounts next to the 5th wheel plate ( not under it)then bolt a stop to that mount, that will keep the plate from tipping.
Towman

Edited by towman2000 3/5/2010 21:44
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mmaddox
Posted 3/5/2010 21:57 (#1106817 - in reply to #1106789)
Subject: Re: pinning 5th wheel for end dump


I have put on a lot of the pipe and rod set-ups, and they continue to be the most common because they tend to be the most universal. I have gone to blocks front and rear, bolted in place, after seeing some of the pipes welded under the fifth wheel fail due to force pushing them forward and up. If the fixture is placed in the front, the same potential problem exists, only backwards. However there are a bunch on them out there, and are accepted.
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scubasteve
Posted 3/5/2010 22:31 (#1106858 - in reply to #1106772)
Subject: RE: pinning 5th wheel for end dump


Centeral Il
not to hyjack a post but i saw a guy at the elevator had a 6x6 tarp strapped under his fifth wheel that was interesting
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ekeller2
Posted 3/5/2010 23:06 (#1106902 - in reply to #1106772)
Subject: Re: pinning 5th wheel for end dump


So. IL
Not to sound stupid, but I guess you are trying to lock it for a frameless dump correct? Frame type do not need to be locked up. To lock it up, use pipe and round bar stock at the rear of the fifth wheel. We have had several trucks and have never had one single problem with this type of set up.
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collegeboy
Posted 3/5/2010 23:15 (#1106917 - in reply to #1106902)
Subject: Re: pinning 5th wheel for end dump



Slicker than a Yes album.
Yes, a friend is pondering details of frame/frameless and the issues in setting up a truck.
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MidwestSpecial
Posted 3/5/2010 23:46 (#1106952 - in reply to #1106782)
Subject: Re: pinning 5th wheel for end dump


SW MO
I would like to see the pictures if you have time
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Willie D
Posted 3/5/2010 23:53 (#1106962 - in reply to #1106772)
Subject: Re: pinning 5th wheel for end dump


Las Vegas
I just built mine about a month ago.....I'll get some pics as well.
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Gambi80
Posted 3/6/2010 00:06 (#1106973 - in reply to #1106772)
Subject: Re: pinning 5th wheel for end dump


The Breakfast Club
I'd go w/the pipe deal. Easy, one piece...weld a couple small pieces of tube elsewhere on the frame for stowage when its not in use. Use grease on the pipe so you can get it back out after extended use.
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Smoothlander
Posted 3/6/2010 12:36 (#1107397 - in reply to #1106772)
Subject: RE: pinning 5th wheel for end dump



I guess that I was incorrect about the location, it is on the back of the plate.

Wow, I can't believe how dirty the truck gets after two days of driving.

 

 

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JoshA
Posted 3/6/2010 21:22 (#1108005 - in reply to #1106772)
Subject: RE: pinning 5th wheel for end dump



Alberta, Canada
Sorry, can anyone explain to me why you want to do this?

Just curious as neither we nor anyone I've seen has done this.

Thanks.
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eddiedry
Posted 3/6/2010 22:19 (#1108106 - in reply to #1108005)
Subject: Re: pinning 5th wheel for end dump



Wheatley, Arkansas
If you do not lock the fifth wheel solid in some fashion, and pull a frameless dump wagon the fifth wheel will flop back and forth every time you accelerate or hit your brakes.
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JoshA
Posted 3/7/2010 00:40 (#1108272 - in reply to #1108106)
Subject: Re: pinning 5th wheel for end dump



Alberta, Canada
Ah, I understand now ----- I think ------ Thanks!

Never been around a frameless trailer, so hopefully my ignorance can be excused. :)
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bulldozerbert
Posted 3/7/2010 08:38 (#1108417 - in reply to #1108272)
Subject: Re: pinning 5th wheel for end dump


Ontario,Canada
JoshA - 3/7/2010 00:40

Ah, I understand now ----- I think ------ Thanks!

Never been around a frameless trailer, so hopefully my ignorance can be excused. :)


I learned something new as well, today.
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eddiedry
Posted 3/7/2010 09:38 (#1108546 - in reply to #1108417)
Subject: A picture for clarification........



Wheatley, Arkansas
The fifth wheel needs to be stationary because the trailer kingpin plate is not rigid like a conventional trailer. The A arms pivot as the trailer raises up.



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collegeboy
Posted 3/7/2010 10:10 (#1108615 - in reply to #1108546)
Subject: RE: A picture for clarification........



Slicker than a Yes album.
Les, you need to blow up that pic and post it in the shop as how to NOT park on your place!
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eddiedry
Posted 3/7/2010 13:35 (#1108916 - in reply to #1108615)
Subject: Re: pinning 5th wheel for end dump



Wheatley, Arkansas
That issue was dealt with. I preached on not blocking the drive when parking vehicles, that picture was on the same day. I guess I shouldn't have been surprised when I returned to the shop and saw where my Jeep was parked at. The employee that parked it there is in search of a job now, anyone need another hired hand?
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