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rookie3030
Posted 11/4/2009 15:09 (#913393)
Subject: international 1086


Hi everybody,

I was on here a couple of days ago (thank you again for all of your responses) trying to figure out what equipment to buy for my beginning farm operation. I have had my heart set on green paint for a long time, but some of the posters said to look at other brands that work just as well and are much cheaper. I decided to look at some red paint a 1086 or 1586 instead of JD 4430 or 4440. They are much cheaper, but I don't have much experience with them. How are they? Are these tractors generally as reliable as the 4430 or 4440's? My father who back in his farming days bought a JD 5020 with a 318 detroit diesel, says he wishes he had bought an international, that they were easier to work on. Thanks for all of the input and sorry about all of the "novice" questions :) !
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paul the original
Posted 11/4/2009 15:36 (#913402 - in reply to #913393)
Subject: Re: international 1086


southern MN
Either will get your fields worked up.

The Green will cost a lot more along the way - original cost & any repairs needed.

The Red will not shift quite as nice, and you might have to put a little more $$$ into the tranny over the years.

If it's a utility tractor with a loader on it, the tranny issues come up. If it's a general field use tractor, shift about 5 times a day - then the Red sure looks like a bargin for starting out with empty pockets.....

I went Blue, kinda down the middle on those issues. :)

--->Paul
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Jeffery
Posted 11/4/2009 15:52 (#913407 - in reply to #913393)
Subject: Re: international 1086


1086 IH was the worst tractor I've ever driven. We had one for about 10 years. It was reliable and worked well, shifing one is a nightmare and they ride like crap because they are so short.
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Jeffery
Posted 11/4/2009 15:53 (#913408 - in reply to #913402)
Subject: Re: international 1086


Went blue as well after the 1086 experience, couldnt be happier with our 9700 by comparison.
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mearsy74
Posted 11/4/2009 16:27 (#913432 - in reply to #913407)
Subject: Re: international 1086


Bothwell ont
We have a 886 which has 7000hrs on it & it has been pretty reliable since new a couple of issues but not bad.Ya the shifting isn't the best but if you buy one thats good to begin with you will be alright.
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FFJR
Posted 11/4/2009 16:30 (#913435 - in reply to #913393)
Subject: RE: international 1086



nc IA
grew up with a 886 and a 8700 ford (86 and 110hp) both were reliable for our use (field primary).

Would not suggest a 1586 though, only 3 speed range tranny

if you are going that route stick to a 1086 or 1486
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guypatrick
Posted 11/4/2009 16:32 (#913437 - in reply to #913393)
Subject: RE: international 1086


North central, IA
If you buy a red one spend an additional $20 to buy an IT shop manual, learn how to adjust the clutch, shift linkage and the TA dump valve and all the "shifting problems" everyone whines and complains about become a non-issue. Also, if you get a red tractor of that era look for one with a water filter.

I have had and currently have 86 series IH tractors and currently have a JD 4640. Both are good tractors. The IH will cost 1/2 to 2/3 as much up front and parts will cost less as well. The JD will ride nicer.
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rookie3030
Posted 11/4/2009 16:46 (#913447 - in reply to #913393)
Subject: Re: international 1086


if tranny problems do develop are they a pain to work on? (with the 1086) Someone told me once that the cabs do not come off on those when splitting the tractor
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720Deere
Posted 11/4/2009 17:07 (#913457 - in reply to #913447)
Subject: Re: international 1086



Peotone, IL 60468
Take a 1486 over a 1586 any day.
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steigerpower
Posted 11/4/2009 17:13 (#913459 - in reply to #913447)
Subject: Re: international 1086


nw sd

Every tractor is a pain to work on.

I bought a 1086 2 years ago, the TA was weak when I bought it--split it that winter and put in a TA eliminator kit.  http://www.agpartsltd.net/DETAIL.asp?PART=830431 You don't have to pull the cab to work on the speed transmission---I think you do have to pull the cab on an older 66 series tractor. 

I also replaced a bunch of parts http://www.agpartsltd.net/MODELPART.asp?MODEL=1010&CAT=80&PCL=40 in the range transmission cover while I was in there.  Now it shifts like it did when it was new (which is really nothing to brag about).

For the same money, I would have bought a JD 4440---but I couldn't see myself paying double for a green one.  They break down too.

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Jon S
Posted 11/4/2009 17:50 (#913476 - in reply to #913393)
Subject: RE: international 1086



Maryland
If you want back problems, look at the IH. If want to be able to reach all the controls from a reasonably comfortable seated position, look at the Deere. If you are never going to shift the tractor and have a lot of drawbar pull, the IH is the ticket. If you need a loader tractor, the Deere is better. If you don't like changing PTO shafts...then IH. If you want to be able to get in and out of the cab...then Deere. If you want the clutch to last...then perma clutch (Deere).


For that vintage tractor, the Deere is going to cost more. One has to assume that the market has demanded a higher price for those Deeres for a pretty good reason.


I never thought they (Deere's) were any harder to work on.








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tommyw-5088
Posted 11/4/2009 19:13 (#913517 - in reply to #913437)
Subject: RE: international 1086


Central Texas
guypatrick - 11/4/2009 16:32

If you buy a red one spend an additional $20 to buy an IT shop manual, learn how to adjust the clutch, shift linkage and the TA dump valve and all the "shifting problems" everyone whines and complains about become a non-issue. Also, if you get a red tractor of that era look for one with a water filter.

I have had and currently have 86 series IH tractors and currently have a JD 4640. Both are good tractors. The IH will cost 1/2 to 2/3 as much up front and parts will cost less as well. The JD will ride nicer.


i grew up on the red ones , i agree if the shifter is adjusted right , the 86 series will shift with 1 finger .

the 1086 is a good tractor if not worn out , and they will still run a long time worn out .

id put rod and main bearings in it , first .

all the tractors that age in the salvage yard have a rod poking out the block .

i never run mine at the 2600 rpms they will turn.
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Hamstn
Posted 11/4/2009 19:30 (#913532 - in reply to #913393)
Subject: Re: international 1086


SW Idaho
If the 86 series is the only ones in your price range and I was starting out I would not think twice. Have had a 986 since it was new, 1979?, as our main tillage tractor and worked the pi$$ out of it for many many years. Yes the shifting was not the greatest mainly the high-low-reverse. But with that said we farm rocks and pulled a trip bottom plow so you had to back up to reset. I know we worked the shifter harder then anyone. Keep the linkage(only one) adjusted and the bolt that held the lever to the shaft that went into the tranny and it never gave us any problems, well had to replace the lever. Rebuilt the engine once or twice, clutch, TA, and PTO. With 15k hours we lost the main driven shaft in the tranny. Fixed it in the driveway without removing cab. Had to use torch to cut it out. Never driven JD but I know the newer any brand is a lot less tiring at the end of the day.
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Cliff SEIA
Posted 11/4/2009 19:42 (#913551 - in reply to #913393)
Subject: RE: international 1086


Have an '81 1086 we bought new and it's got over 11,000 hours on it now.  Some will say the TA is weak on them but I replaced the original TA in our's two years ago, also overhauled the engine at that time and it was the first time the valve cover had ever been off the engine.  The clutch has been replaced a few times and the rear end did get rebuilt once but it's done alot of heavy tillage with radial duals and too much weight on it.  It doesn't ride the best but we put an air seat in it a few years ago and that made a huge improvement.  I wouldn't hesitate to buy another 1086 but for a little bit more money you can buy a 5088 which is alot more tractor.  For what a nice 4440 costs you can buy a higher houred 7120 which is alot more tractor than a 4440.
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5230
Posted 11/4/2009 20:16 (#913616 - in reply to #913476)
Subject: RE: international 1086


sw wi
Please enlighten me, I have heard the complaint about entry and exit of the IH cabs compared to the Deere. I have used both and those 30.40 series Deere cabs are no treat to get in and out of, better steps.. but the narrow opening between the door post and the cab/steering is a pain
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ih1086
Posted 11/4/2009 21:26 (#913732 - in reply to #913551)
Subject: Re: international 1086



Grawn Michigan
<p>On our farm we have 2-986's, 1086, 1586, 3588..  All of them have between 4000 and 6000 hrs.  The shifting is not to bad if things are kept in adjustment and lubed.   We do all the work ourselves and have don ta's and clutches with no problem.  They are not the most confortable machine but they are also 30+ years old now too.  Find a good one and maintain it and you will be fine.</p>

Edited by ih1086 11/4/2009 21:33
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corn-cob
Posted 11/4/2009 21:39 (#913753 - in reply to #913393)
Subject: RE: international 1086


Good cheap horsepower. Farmed with a 1086 as my main tractor for 15 years.
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Jon S
Posted 11/4/2009 21:48 (#913763 - in reply to #913616)
Subject: RE: international 1086



Maryland
I think it's pretty much universal that the 86 series entry points suck. You have the door that opens the wrong way, the muddy tire to catch your pants on, and the piss poor factory steps.

Now, I'm not a fellow of large carriage so maybe my view is tainted, but I've never had a problem getting into any of my SGB Deere's. I do find the 86 and 88 series IH models to be trifling. Call me crazy.

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Sheep Herder
Posted 11/4/2009 22:06 (#913797 - in reply to #913393)
Subject: RE: international 1086


ND
I've never owned one, but I've been around two of them, and that was enough to tell me I didn't want to own one.  The shifting is horrible, the TA's don't stand up, the female hydraulic couplers are a 0000 after they they get dirt in them, the cab door is hinged on the wrong side, and the exhaust system is prone to trouble.  If you can find anything good in all that, well...........
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801486
Posted 11/4/2009 22:21 (#913832 - in reply to #913393)
Subject: Re: international 1086


I've been riding around in a 1486 for almost 30 years and still getting along good. I don't know how many hours it has on it, but its quite a few. Had a clutch and ta 15 years ago, an overhaul 5 years ago and another clutch this year. It's not the best ride but I put a good used seat and undercarriage a couple years ago that was high priced outfit originally and it's a lot better. I don't especially like the backwards doors, but to me it's not any worse than getting in and out of a 4440 that only has one door and the visibility is a lot better with the ih. A jd guy and I were talking one time and I asked him with the exception of the backwards doors which cab was more like a new jd a 1486 or a 4440. He had to admit the 1486 was more like the new jd than the 4440. The ih is probably easier on fuel too.
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gndfarms
Posted 11/4/2009 22:52 (#913905 - in reply to #913393)
Subject: Re: international 1086


mid minnesota
I have one for sale for 6500 Call me at 3209803522
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milofarmer1
Posted 11/4/2009 22:54 (#913909 - in reply to #913393)
Subject: Re: international 1086



Farwell, TX/Pleasant Hill, NM
We've got an old worn out 1086 and it has all the mentioned problems, but it is a good workhorse. Always starts and runs good. Easy on fuel. Pulls really good for it's rated power. Haven't done any major work on it in a long time. I really like the dual pto shafts on the back. If I was needing another tractor in that hp range and size, I would sure look at buying another one since they are so cheap.

As to the original poster's dilemma I would also suggest looking at a 2390 or 2590 Case. Very simple efficent cheap tractors. Nicer cabs, powershift, better ride.
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dutch
Posted 11/4/2009 23:13 (#913942 - in reply to #913763)
Subject: Re: international 1086



West Texas
The cabs I grew up with all had doors like on the 86 series. Never bothered me.
Always rather liked the 1086 we used to have. 5000 hrs and not a thing wrong when it left us. Never had any problems shifting it and never had any TA problems. Ours was a very late model 1086.
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dutch
Posted 11/4/2009 23:17 (#913952 - in reply to #913832)
Subject: Re: international 1086



West Texas

What do you mean, "probably easier on fuel too"?

 

Proven fact they were easier on fuel then the 4430 or 4440 and pulled more. 

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E-Ont Allan
Posted 11/5/2009 00:11 (#914028 - in reply to #913437)
Subject: RE: international 1086



Ottawa, Ontario
What is the IT shop manual you are referring to for $20. The only thing ive found on the CIH website is the service manual at $200. Would be interested in what you found at that price for my 986, which could certainly stand to shift a little easier.
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sdPete
Posted 11/5/2009 08:09 (#914224 - in reply to #913393)
Subject: RE: international 1086



Beresford SD
After reading the posts one thing not mentioned is the brakes.   Make sure they work and learn when and how to use them.   When the driver depresses the clutch to disengage engine power from a moving tractor, the brakes should be used to bring the tractor to a stop and hold it while changing speeds with the shift levers.   There is a certain amount of drag in the transmission which can make shifting the HI LO REV lever difficult, but usually the brakes if properly applied help this problem.   Now do not take this to mean stand on the brake as soon as the clutch is depressed.   If conditions dictate coast to a stop, let it coast to a stop, but the last bit of momentum needs to be handled with the brakes. 
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bshannon
Posted 11/5/2009 10:51 (#914374 - in reply to #914224)
Subject: Re: international 1086


Dunn Co Wisconsin
We got both a 1486 and a 4430. The 4430 has roll guard, no cab. The IH shifts harder, I like the dual pto on the IH. Also easy to hook up hydraulic couplers. The JD is darn near impossible to hook up couplers on despite modifications and repairs, but it shifts nicer. Both are good long lived old tractors.
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sdcowman
Posted 11/6/2009 08:07 (#915232 - in reply to #913393)
Subject: Re: international 1086


Gary , SD
Also look at the orange ones for a good , cheap , older horse..........7045 , 7050 , 7060.......................
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IHRedpower
Posted 11/11/2009 09:24 (#920358 - in reply to #913532)
Subject: Re: international 1086


Central PA
we have a 1086 white panel we bought new. it has around 8000 hours, never had shifting problems with it. we traded a 1486 red panel a few years ago, it had all kind of shifting problems. still they r nothing like our 1066 and 766.
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