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caseih9250
Posted 12/1/2011 22:59 (#2079811)
Subject: 3116 HIGH OIL PRESSURE ?


southern,il
GOT A 1990 GMC TOPKICK WITH 3116 CAT ENGINE WAS WONDERING WHAT CORRECT OIL PRESSURE WAS AT IDLE AND OFF IDLE LIKE HALF THROTTLE WHEN STARTING TRUCK IN 25 DEGREE OUTSIDE TEMP OIL PRESSURE IS 80-85 PSI WHEN ABOUT HALF THROTTLE OIL PRESSURE GOES PAST 100 PLUS PSI ,THEN LET TRUCK RUN TILL WATER TEMP GOT 180 DEGREES THEN IDLE WAS 40 PSI AND HALF THROTTLE WAS 80-85 PSI JUST CHANGED OIL AND OIL FILTER AND ALSO CHANGED LUBERFINER AUXILARY OIL FILTER STILL NO DIFFRENCE,I HEARD IT COULD BE THE OIL RELIEF PLUNGER IN OIL PUMP ? THIS JUST STARTED MID FALL I THOUGHT OIL PRESSURES USED TO RUN AT 30-35 PSI IDLE THEN HALF THROTTLE WAS 50-60 PSI WHEN WATER TEMP WAS 180 DEGREES PLUS AND WE ALSO INSTALLED MANUAL GAUGE T.I.A
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CATGUY
Posted 12/2/2011 09:52 (#2080381 - in reply to #2079811)
Subject: RE: 3116 HIGH OIL PRESSURE ?


Iowa

Here's a pargraph out of the testing area for 3116 oil pressure.

The minimum engine oil pressure should be approximately 250 kPa (36 psi). Minimum engine oil pressure at low idle rpm (750 to 850 rpm) should be approximately 100 kPa (15 psi). Maximum engine oil pressure should be approximately 600 kPa (88 psi) when the engine is at operating temperature and operating under full load condition.


You are probably correct that your very high oil pressure is a stuck "high pressure relief valve" in the oil pump.
I don't know of too many people/customers have ever done much about it.
 It will take a new pump(if you decide to repair it), old one is probably scored in the bore/housing, I assume, and may be stuck really tightly, too.

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caseih9250
Posted 12/3/2011 00:24 (#2081844 - in reply to #2080381)
Subject: RE: 3116 HIGH OIL PRESSURE ?


southern,il
REMOVED PAN TODAY TO LOOK FOR RELIEF VALVE TO SEE IF IT WAS STUCK BUT FOUND OUT IT ONLY HAD A ALLEN SCREW PLUG IN IT ON LEFT HAND BOTTOM OF PUMP TOOK IT OUT NOTHING WAS IN IT ,AND IDLER BUSHING WAS O.K,SO THEN I REMOVED OIL FILTER RELIEF PLUNGER IT WAS O.K NO DIRT OR MARKS ,REINSTALLED ,SO WENT AND GOT REMAN OIL PUMP PART NUMBER 189-8777 WHICH IS THE SAME WAY AS OLD ONE NO RELIEF VALVE THAT I CAN SEE JUST ALLEN HEAD PLUG ,DON'T THINK NEW OIL PUMP WILL FIX PROBLEM BUT DON'T KNOW ,AND ALSO CATGUY HOW DO YOU PROPERLY PRIME THE NEW OIL PUMP T.I.A
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CATGUY
Posted 12/3/2011 11:31 (#2082283 - in reply to #2081844)
Subject: RE: 3116 HIGH OIL PRESSURE ?


Iowa

I going to guess that your truck has a reman engine in it, or someone has changed that oil pump to a gerotor design [which I found out today, that the older oil pump(with a relief valve) now get changed to, thru the parts system]
Those engines (back in 1990) did leave the factory with an oil pump with relief valves in them (I will attach a photo)

I am thinking about the possibility of a gasket (internally) that may have blown between the oil cooler and the oil filter base, thus the oil pressure could by-pass the oil cooler(= less restriction) and that may cause and increase in oil pressure, BUT I need to look at an oil filter housing to insure my thoughts are correct. [note: we have seen warpage in these oil filter housing before, thus the possibility of a gasket blown, internally, is a possibility]

CAT shows no paperwork on this change from two-gear style(old pump) to gerotor design(without a by-pass), I was hopeing for a techincal bulletin, but found nothing.

Edit: for lubing an oil pump, you only have to squirt some oil into them. I just squirt about 3-6 squirts from my oil can and spin the gears, by hand, then mount to the engine. Remember, that once the oil pan is up and filled with oil, then the oil level is really close to the level of the oil pump's gears. It doesn't take much effort, for the oil pump to "suck up" the oil.



Edited by CATGUY 12/3/2011 14:07




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CATGUY
Posted 12/5/2011 19:04 (#2086152 - in reply to #2081844)
Subject: Here's photos of the newer style oil pump relief valve


Iowa

We had a newer style pump(Gerotor) removed from an engine today. I took photos for you.

 Note: CAT doesn't show any parts photos of this pump disassembled. 


Edit: I threw one photo of that oil filter base gasket in there, too.



Edited by CATGUY 12/5/2011 19:34




(3116_3126 OIL PUMP AND RELIEF_NEW STYLE 001.jpg)



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