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money
Posted 5/8/2012 23:30 (#2375555)
Subject: tell me the design of a great hay wagon bed!!!!!!!!!!!


east of indianapolis		We need another hay wagon and I have a old grain wagon we don't use anymore. what size material do you use? seals? cross members? floor? tell me your design or show me a picture I want a wagon thats big enough for 4 tiers and room to stand and no sagging hauling squares or lage rounds. Thanks
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funfarmr
Posted 5/8/2012 23:34 (#2375564 - in reply to #2375555)
Subject: Re: tell me the design of a great hay wagon bed!!!!!!!!!!!


Ohio		We used 3 2x12's laminated together for each runner. Total of six boards. Then used 1x8 rough sawn oak for the deck boards and lag bolted them to the runners. This was on a 18 foot tandem running gear. Made a 20 foot deck on it.
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Harp4430
Posted 5/9/2012 00:23 (#2375664 - in reply to #2375555)
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Ben D, N CA
Posted 5/9/2012 00:41 (#2375688 - in reply to #2375555)
Subject: RE: tell me the design of a great hay wagon bed!!!!!!!!!!!



Whiskey, Tango, Foxtrot		Buy the cheapest 24' flatbed semi trailer you can find.
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Rod Maker
Posted 5/9/2012 06:17 (#2375780 - in reply to #2375555)
Subject: Re: tell me the design of a great hay wagon bed!!!!!!!!!!!



Westport, IN		And old mobile home frame hands down is the easisest, simplest and cheapest.
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gopher1
Posted 5/9/2012 07:21 (#2375818 - in reply to #2375555)
Subject: RE: tell me the design of a great hay wagon bed!!!!!!!!!!!


Alden MN

I am building shortly also!  Thinking 2 or 3  "2 X 10" LVL on each side for stringers. Not sure if they should be bolted or screwed

or nailed together for best strength. Also have seen gutter tin sandwiched between for more ridgidity......Need a site with some ideas!

Gopher

disclaimer - this wagon will not live outside! only in shed!

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GuernseyGuy
Posted 5/9/2012 08:09 (#2375899 - in reply to #2375555)
Subject: RE: tell me the design of a great hay wagon bed!!!!!!!!!!!


WCOH		Big square or small square? I have made 3 of these now to stack small squares. 3 wide 6 high 170-180 bales.

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801486
Posted 5/9/2012 09:05 (#2375981 - in reply to #2375555)
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west central Iowa		10 inch I beam for stringers treated 2x6s laid cross ways for the deck. Ends of the crosswise 2x6s are sandwiched between 2 lengthwise 2x6s to tie them together. Been hauling loads of 8 round bales or up to 250 square bales for 15 years. 8.5 feet by 18 feet long.
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ttop
Posted 5/9/2012 09:06 (#2375985 - in reply to #2375555)
Subject: Re: tell me the design of a great hay wagon bed!!!!!!!!!!!


scky		I don't have a pic. of mine, but I use a 4in H beam for the runners and oak 2in for the floor. Lay the floor cross ways of the runners and bolt the H beam, use a 2in angle around the edge bolted to each floor board. I build each 20ft. long and 102 wide. If needed I may be able to get pictures later.
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Von WC Ohio
Posted 5/9/2012 09:18 (#2376005 - in reply to #2375555)
Subject: RE: tell me the design of a great hay wagon bed!!!!!!!!!!!



This is what I did for a fertilizer tank wagon. Been well satisfied with my results.

If I was building a hay wagon though I would probably use stringers with less depth than the 2x12's I used. Maybe laminated 2x8's then use 4x4's perpendicular to that and run my T&G 2x6's lengthwise and perpendicular to the 4x4's which would also make them parallel with the stringers. This would help support loads out at the edge of the wagon.

More pictures here.
 
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slowzuki
Posted 5/9/2012 09:52 (#2376047 - in reply to #2376005)
Subject: RE: tell me the design of a great hay wagon bed!!!!!!!!!!!


New Brunswick, Canada		That might be a bit over kill right there, 16 2x12's spanning what looks to be 10 feet between the axles? You are probably up somewhere around 30 tons+ capacity on what an 8 ton running gear?
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Von WC Ohio
Posted 5/9/2012 10:30 (#2376088 - in reply to #2376047)
Subject: RE: tell me the design of a great hay wagon bed!!!!!!!!!!!



Overkill ......you bet that was the entire point !

I wanted it built so heavy that there was no way it could ever be overloaded. It's a 10 ton running gear and actually a little less than 10 ft between axles. The top is roughly 10' long and the axles are probably more like 8-9' apart.

1100 gal. of 11.67# material = 12,837 lbs  

Plus the weight of wood, tank, pump valves and hose and angle iron

I like to build things one time, do it right and to the best of my ability and have it last pretty much forever.

I looked at the Co-op design and saw that it was adequate but I still decided to over design every component. 

Just what I decided to build for "me"....."here" so it probably won't suit anyone else's needs. 

Comparison pic mine on the left co-op's on the right.





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Hay Hud Ohio
Posted 5/9/2012 09:57 (#2376055 - in reply to #2375555)
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SW Ohio		Lots of things to consider, length of front overhang(depends on if pulling behind baler)height(limited or not?)Size of your bales? Etc. Start with strong stringers, we have two like shown with 8" channels, two with school bus frames, three with heavy wood beams, and one with laminated beams. Channel models have a 2x4 bolted on and SS screws into that to not drill flange of channel, bus frames have bolts thru flanges, some of the wood rails have angle iron brackets to 4x4 cross beams and some have cross boards screwed direct. All have edge rails added some top and some top and bottom. Back rack or standard as we call them must be mounted solid, if wood on wood must include a metal reinforcement. All ours have a rear hitch at back of bed and most have a floating corner attachment to gear but we find this is now unnecessary. We also add a good place to tie ropes and lots of reflective material.

The single most important thing to do is orient the grain of the wood the proper way.

Let me repeat, the single most important thing to do is orient the grain of the wood the proper way!!!!

Look at the end of a board, is the grain pattern smiling at you or frowning, you want it to frown, to shed water off, not hold it in.
Plan on painting or treating with your home brew to preserve the wood, even if using treated wood.



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bonhammj
Posted 5/9/2012 10:27 (#2376085 - in reply to #2375555)
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Southern NJ		Use steel whenever possible. We use either 6 or 8 inch channel for the main beams, and either 2 or 3 inch channel for the cross members. Bolt the main beams to the frame, and weld the cross memeber to the main beam. Then we use the torx head self tapping bolts to anchor treated 2x8's to the steel cross members. It takes a while to drill them, but we only do every other cross member. I found a place online to get the self tapping bolts for like 12 cents a piece.


The picture is of a 20' wagon, and we can get 220 square straw bales on them if we stack 8 high. Also we make the backboard easy to remove so we can store inside when not in use. Made 4 like this, and have been very happy so far.




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GuernseyGuy
Posted 5/9/2012 10:37 (#2376096 - in reply to #2375555)
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WCOH		Pictures hopefully.
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9400deere
Posted 5/9/2012 13:15 (#2376230 - in reply to #2375555)
Subject: RE: tell me the design of a great hay wagon bed!!!!!!!!!!!


Huron county Ontario Canada		We use steel 10 inch I beams for runners and pressure treated 2 x 8's for the deck. The ends of the 2 x 8's are then sandwiched between pressure treated 2 x 6's. All wagons are 8' wide and length varies from 18 to 22'. We will overload the tires before the rack. The long wagons are running on 11L 15 tires with 50 psi in them but with 300 (hay) or 350 (straw) bales on them they are loaded pretty good.



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JRthefarmer
Posted 5/9/2012 14:02 (#2376283 - in reply to #2375555)
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SESD		Didn't read the others. Heres what we do. Couple "I" beams. Use a 6" channel welded to the front and back to space them. On the back, the channel helps attach the hitch which should have a piece of iron attached from the running gear hitch. Weld some angle iron every 5' or so across the bottom of the beams for support. For the "rack" on the back, use 6" channel iron and put them at whatever angle you want. We do small squares, so we put cross tubes that are spaced to match up with the layers of bales to keep them from falling off the back. Also, on 1 hay rack, we welded some 7"(whatever fits snug over 6") channel about to the beams at the angle the uprights should be. Make them short enough that they don't protrude above the bed. We then bolted the 6" upright rack into these so it could be slid out if needed. Havent removed it yet. For the bed, find some good bridge planks. Put 2 bolts through each plank on each beam(4/plank). Space them about 2-4" and make them 8.5' long. Then use some 1/4" iron bent in a "U" shape on the outside of the planks. This helps use all the planks for support when hauling rounds etc. Weld a short tab on the "U" where you want to bolt it to the planks. Put a bolt every 4-5' or so.
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RodInNS
Posted 5/9/2012 17:10 (#2376399 - in reply to #2375555)
Subject: RE: tell me the design of a great hay wagon bed!!!!!!!!!!!


I've done them various ways but all involve steel. I'd use either a 4x10" I beam or 3x8x1/4" channel for the sills. I then put crossmembers on at 2' spacing using either 2x2x1/8" HSS or 1-1/4x3" channel. I then run 2-3" angle along the sides to join the crossmembers. I also box the ends of the sills in with a heavy cross front and back between the sills.
Then you deck it with 2" rough lumber of your choice.
These wagons with oak sills laminated together and 4x6" cross members.... probably weight nearly twice as much as mine. Neighbours have some like that... and I've towed them. They're a load empty... and they won't last as long.

Rod
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farmer82
Posted 5/9/2012 18:47 (#2376468 - in reply to #2376399)
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S.E. Iowa		If you can find switch railroad ties they make great stringers. The bad thing about them they are often 15 feet. I have gotten some 16. I lag 2 x 8s cross wise and use angle iron for the backs. I slant the backs slightly so that the front isnt square but slant toward the back so the ride a bit better
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BCFENCE
Posted 5/9/2012 20:29 (#2376562 - in reply to #2376468)
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Here are some pics of mine, 30 x 9ft wide



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RodInNS
Posted 5/9/2012 23:18 (#2376870 - in reply to #2376562)
Subject: Re: tell me the design of a great hay wagon bed!!!!!!!!!!!


Sharp. That's a nice job.

I'm not sure I like the hitch on the back... It's convienient..... but I never tow from the rack as we leave the racks somewhat loose so the gear can flex better under it.
Overall a very nice wagon tho. A very good example of how you can get twice the strength of wood for half the weight and have it outlast both of us.

Rod
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GuernseyGuy
Posted 5/12/2012 23:54 (#2380717 - in reply to #2375555)
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WCOH		try again

Finally one went through. Got 3 of these now, 17x8.

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Hay Hud Ohio
Posted 5/13/2012 09:15 (#2380958 - in reply to #2380717)
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SW Ohio		Looks kinda like these.....
If money is no object.............
made near me.........
http://www.glnause.com/Lifetime-Wagons.aspx
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