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FP Tractor
Posted 7/11/2009 11:28 (#772231)
Subject: Anybody Interested in Seed Corn Detasseler Pics?


Fancy Prairie, IL
I could take some pics if anyone was interested in seeing them in action? I can take a few pics and post them. They are a huge part of my job, a part I happen to enjoy.
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collegeguy
Posted 7/11/2009 11:40 (#772239 - in reply to #772231)
Subject: RE: Anybody Interested in Seed Corn Detasseler Pics?



South Dakota
That would be interesting to see if you don't mind.
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jeffshelby
Posted 7/11/2009 12:00 (#772256 - in reply to #772231)
Subject: Re: Anybody Interested in Seed Corn Detasseler Pics?


Ohio
I can only speak for myself, but I always enjoy pictures. Whether it is of a old piece of junk equipment or someones newest purchase, pictures are appreciated.
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4thgen
Posted 7/11/2009 16:18 (#772438 - in reply to #772256)
Subject: Re: Anybody Interested in Seed Corn Detasseler Pics?



missouri
Years ago when I was in high school seed corn was grown around here, we used to ride on a michine and pull the tassles the machines missed. Do they still do that or did the machines gewt better?
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FP Tractor
Posted 7/11/2009 16:45 (#772450 - in reply to #772438)
Subject: Re: Anybody Interested in Seed Corn Detasseler Pics?


Fancy Prairie, IL
All these machines have gotten better over the years, these machines have photocell eyes that "look" at a reflector on the opposite side of the row(s) and sense the height of the tassel to get a more accurate cut/pull. Not too many around here use personel carriers anymore, most just walk. Carriers seemed to be used more when the machines were not as accurate or not used at all.
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ne_mn
Posted 7/11/2009 22:51 (#772718 - in reply to #772438)
Subject: Re: Anybody Interested in Seed Corn Detasseler Pics?



Kettle River, MN
My brother detasseled for Linco seeds (now heartland hybrids, i think) in Dassel or Cokato, Mn for four years. Mostly pulling low ones the machines missed. I think they ended up doing the low areas sometimes.
Still know a lot of people who detassel for Dahlco Seeds out of Cokato.
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Virginia Veg.
Posted 7/11/2009 19:37 (#772543 - in reply to #772256)
Subject: Here's our topper.



Eastern VA. No such thing as too many Magnums.
We modified a 6000 Hi Cycle with a big capacity hyd pump and made a toolbar with some hyd blades. Here's some pics of it, the field trucks with our harvest boxes, and a shot of a 175 acre sweet corn field. We're about 2 weeks into a 5 week harvest season.




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plowboy
Posted 7/12/2009 13:25 (#773248 - in reply to #772543)
Subject: RE: Here's our topper.



Brazilton KS

You would think you'd at least use Deere mower bladesCool 

I think those belong on a Snapper. 

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FP Tractor
Posted 7/11/2009 12:18 (#772281 - in reply to #772231)
Subject: Re: Anybody Interested in Seed Corn Detasseler Pics?


Fancy Prairie, IL
I'll see what I can do this afternoon. I'm sure there are parts of the world that have never seen these machines
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Mike SE IL
Posted 7/11/2009 13:55 (#772354 - in reply to #772231)
Subject: After the Detasseler you do this



West Union, Illinois
I'll jump in with some old photos while FP is getting his together.  After the detasseler is done and the corn is finished pollinating you remove the male rows.  These are from of Leap and Quiver that we ran for a few years.  It is a Hagie ag tractor with a 318 Chrysler industrial engine.  Sure did sound sweet going through the field with bad mufflers. 




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FP Tractor
Posted 7/11/2009 14:40 (#772395 - in reply to #772231)
Subject: Here's a couple of a "little" bit newer machine


Fancy Prairie, IL
Here is some from a few minutes ago outside Farmer City, IL. 2008 Hagie 204SP 12 Row Cutter.

Edited by FP Tractor 7/11/2009 14:50




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Mike SE IL
Posted 7/11/2009 19:01 (#772512 - in reply to #772395)
Subject: RE: Here's a couple of a "little" bit newer machine



West Union, Illinois

HEY!  there's one just like that has been setting in our lot.  We have a pretty good size shed lot that is used as a staging area for a couple companies.  One has it's male removed by a contractor and he upgraded this winter from a Leap and Quiver like we had to one of those.  He is also contract cutting tassels for them and then going to modify it to destroy male rows.

I couldn't tell for sure from the photos, but I assume yours has electric eye height sensors?

Oh and as to the why question, I have to run.  I'll let FP go into details.

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FP Tractor
Posted 7/11/2009 20:14 (#772560 - in reply to #772512)
Subject: RE: Here's a couple of a "little" bit newer machine


Fancy Prairie, IL
Yep Mike, these have the Tasseltrol LS system (sensors). Works very slick. I was there to adjust the speed of the lifts in auto so they would not jump as much. Works alot better now. Who's machines are down there? Not sure exactly where you are at. I have some customers around Terre Haute and West Union right now with 204's. I am the service tech in Central/So. IL for these machines.

As far as the "why". The quick version is for the production of hybrid (cross-bred) seed corn. The male is of one parent variety and the female is another variety. Detasseling is necessary so the female rows (harvested) do no pollinate themselves and a pure cross is made.

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Mike SE IL
Posted 7/11/2009 23:09 (#772734 - in reply to #772560)
Subject: Quick lesson in seed corn production



West Union, Illinois

But first

I have some customers around Terre Haute and West Union right now with 204's
Luke,

This was setting 1 mile east of WU.  Belongs to Jamie around Clay City, Indiana.  I had a 1985 8200 and after losing the second wheel motor in 3 years decided to offer someone else the opportunity of owning a 20 year old machine.  Best male knocker I've seen is an Apache sprayer with a green operator. Did as good a job as the Modern Flow silage choppers.

OK, quick seed corn lesson.  You cross 2 parents to produce a hybrid. One is a "male" (pollinating) and the other a "female" (seed producing)

We plant the parents in a pattern, most often 1 male followed by 4 rows of female. Timing of planting is critical because the different parents may not produce pollen or silks at the same time. If you miss the "nick" the non-technical term is "screwed".

Sometimes you plant them both at the same time and then flame or cut the males to delay or spread pollination.  Seems really dumb pulling this through a field cutting the tops off perfectly good plants  (from http://www.modern-flow.com/prod_male_row_growth_retarder.php)

Since corn plants have both reproductive parts the female must have the tassels removed before they start shedding pollen. (see http://www.varsitydetasseling.com/what.html for a better explanation) The best way is to physically walk the fields and carefully remove each tassel by hand, taking care to not pull any leaves.  However, to cover the amount of acres needed most companies will mow off the top leaves just before tassel extension.


Then they wait about a day and run wheel pullers, which have powered pneumatic tires running together

to grab the tassels and remove them from the plant.  After that a crew will either walk or ride the field on personnel carriers.


Here is the end result.


After pollination most companies remove the male rows.  There are multiple reasons.  One is ease of harvesting. If the male rows are not there you don't have to worry about them.  Another is genetic purity.  If they are removed they can't fall into the female rows or accidentally get mixed in. Another is yield.  If they male rows are not shading or competing for water and nutrients with the female it should improve yield. From my standpoint it removes the potential volunteer corn in my soybean field next year.

Best male destroyer is Modern Flow's silage chopper (http://www.modern-flow.com/prod_male_row_forage_harvester.php)

It totally removes the plant from the field.  My one reservation (OK, second.  The first is the quarter million price tag) is feeding the silage when it has had all kind of 'cides (insectice/fungicide/etc) applied to the seed fields.

The seed is harvested on the ear at a high moisture content

 in hopes of maintaining good germination.

More questions?

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McCartman
Posted 7/12/2009 12:58 (#773220 - in reply to #772734)
Subject: Re: Anybody Interested in Seed Corn Detasseler Pics?



Great pics and even better explanation of the process. Thanks to you guys - I've often heard & read about detasseling, but never knew just how it was done. Very interesting stuff!
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Mike SE IL
Posted 7/13/2009 08:12 (#774272 - in reply to #772734)
Subject: Re: Got a PDF personnel carrier for sale ?



West Union, Illinois

do you know where there's any PDF personell carriers like the one in the picture that somebody wants to get rid of?
Sorry, that is just a photo I peeled off someone's web site after doing a Google search.

Anybody have one for sale?

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Jbatmick
Posted 7/11/2009 15:15 (#772409 - in reply to #772231)
Subject: Re: Anybody Interested in Seed Corn Detasseler Pics?



Hastings, Florida
OK, and what is the purpose of this operation ? Remove male rows ? I know nothing of corn, just vegetables, turf grass, and trucking.
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4thgen
Posted 7/11/2009 16:20 (#772439 - in reply to #772409)
Subject: Re: Anybody Interested in Seed Corn Detasseler Pics?



missouri
???? why did my post jump ahead of everbody elses?????
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Charlie SEMN
Posted 7/11/2009 20:42 (#772583 - in reply to #772409)
Subject: Re: Anybody Interested in Seed Corn Detasseler Pics?


There are two reasons I know of to remove male rows. They use moisture that could be used by the female rows, and the seed corn pickers in my area run 9 row heads which pick two groups of 4 rows. Having a single male row in the middle would contaminate the rest during picking. Back in the 80's when seed corn in our area was harvested with 4 row machines, they used to leave the male rows stand and the farmer could combine them later. Some guys also chopped the male rows for silage, but it seemed like they were pretty dry by the time the seed corn was picked.



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Brian in E Ore
Posted 7/11/2009 16:42 (#772447 - in reply to #772231)
Subject: RE: The other way to detassle corn



Malheur County Oregon
We just started first pull this morning on sweet corn. Machines don't work well for us on furrow irrigated ground, too much residue left in the bottom of the row plus they are pretty hard on the corn itself.
I dont have a pic of the machine that takes out the male rows that does ours but it's on a nitro sprayer chassis. The best description I can give is it is 2 vertical hung shafts that are driven hydraulically driven with a whole lot of sickle sections bolted to them. They just shred the males down to nothing



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Hamstn
Posted 7/12/2009 10:56 (#773111 - in reply to #772231)
Subject: RE: Anybody Interested in Seed Corn Detasseler Pics?


SW Idaho
Opening up this field here this morning. A day or so early but this year all the corn looks to be ready at the same time. Had to jump on the crew boss as they were pulling 4,5,6 leaves with the tassel. Think we have it down to one or two. Pollination should be in full swing by end of week so expect HOT calm days next week (poor pollination weather)



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