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caleb_brown
Posted 6/25/2012 09:08 (#2448620)
Subject: Derated engines



West KY
While sitting in the dealer's waiting room waiting on getting my truck aligned, I picked up a 2012MY Chevy HD sales bulletin. In the specs at the back, it shows the regular duramax box trucks as having 397hp and 765 lb-ft of torque, but the chassis cab trucks are derated to 335 and 685 respectively. Furthermore, if you order an HD truck with a box delete it's down to 322hp. I just thought it was odd because one would assume you'd pull more often with the chassis cab. Anybody know the real reasoning behind this? Is it the same on all brands?

Just read a little more, the Vortec is derated on box delete and 1-tons as well.



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sledstorm1
Posted 6/25/2012 09:26 (#2448651 - in reply to #2448620)
Subject: Re: Derated engines


Ford has also been doing this with the f450 and f550. I read the reasoning is that contractors want a truck the workers can drive that can be held to the floor for hours on end pulling what ever load they pull with it.
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Fla Veggie Farmer
Posted 6/25/2012 11:03 (#2448774 - in reply to #2448620)
Subject: RE: Derated engines


Southeast Florida
Back in the late 70's early 80's Ford offered the 460 in the half ton 2wd trucks but not in the 4X4's. My wife's uncle has a 2WD 78 F-150 with a factory 460, make sense of that! What they offered back then in work truck was 351M or 400 mafia block engines. The reason for the mafia block name was the only thing they were good for was tying a body to them and pushing them in the ocean. The 460 had a good bottom end and plenty of power, it actually got better mileage than the 351M-400; they peaked out at about 9 MPG.
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retento
Posted 6/25/2012 11:26 (#2448793 - in reply to #2448774)
Subject: Re: Derated engines


Eastern North Carolina
That 322 hp rating was for the 10000# + gvw rated 6.0 gas engine powered trucks. Under 10000# the 6.0's are rated 360 hp.
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jnlarson
Posted 6/25/2012 14:58 (#2449057 - in reply to #2448620)
Subject: RE: Derated engines


NE MT
I know Dodge does the same thing...
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hwdcne
Posted 6/25/2012 16:13 (#2449157 - in reply to #2449057)
Subject: Re: Derated engines


Soutwest Ks.
My question would be: Are the engines actually derated or are they using a different way to measure hsp and torque? I know some manufactures use different measurements for hsp in lawn and garden equip. if it is rated commercial use versus residential.
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MMiller
Posted 6/25/2012 21:40 (#2449734 - in reply to #2448620)
Subject: Re: Derated engines


SW Iowa
The advertise lower hp, lower rear diff ratios resulting in lower final drive ratios. Its to keep the rest of the truck alive at max GVW.
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mschultz
Posted 6/26/2012 23:14 (#2451783 - in reply to #2448620)
Subject: Re: Derated engines


Oregon
MMiller is correct. The big three each derate. I talked to a Cummins rep at an ag show and he told me that it was all about duty cycle. Engineering assumes that pickups are consumer items and they will not be subject to 100% duty cycles i.e., run WFO at full load for extended periods. Instead, they assume that the engine will occasionally see full load and spend the rest of its life pulling an non-fully-loaded truck through the wind at 65MPH. Remember, if you buy a 6.7 Cummins (or even an old 5.9) in a commercial or ag application, it is never set to the high rating you see in pickups. Have you ever seen a 350 hp production tractor with smallish 6.4 or 6.7 liter-like displacement? My guess is that, all things being equal, high hp from small displacement is a recipe for shortened lifespan. I think the consumer pick-up market hp & torque race has harmed the durability and longevity of the product many of us rely on. And this is why, according to the rep I spoke with, in commercial applications those engines are de-rated. -Mike
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