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Robert W Greif |
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Dallas Center IA 515-720-2463 | About two years ago my White 2-105 had a nasty fire in the dash. Since I knew it would take me forever to get it fixed, I got myself another loader tractor. Really I wanted to get a White 2-135 with long axles. The 2-105’s fire was an excuse to do. And on a stack of bibles - I did not set the fire! The fire was November of 2007. I bought the 2-135 from Anderson’s at Gowie, Iowa, good people to buy stuff from. Drove it home in early March of 2008, pulling the Westendorf Landscraper that I also got from Andersons. The loader is a Allied 795. It took me until July to decide if I should do the welding shop makeover of the 2-105 mounting kit, or buy a factory made one. A new one was $1000-. Ordered one from Moss Brothers, Dallas Center. Then it took me until soybean combining time to get the mounting kit on the tractor. The hand injury kinda slows things down. Almost a year without a loader, good thing I had made a 3-point boom deal. My 2-135 is like most Olivers and Whites before about 1987 - No float in the remotes. Oliver/White does have a float valve, but it does not detent, not very many tractors have them. Both my 2-105 and 2-155 have them. Just had to have float on the loader up and down. The first plan was to buy a White float valve, new or salvage, and install it as a third valve. Really scared of what it would cost. Somebody posted here on NAT Machinery Talk about a joystick from The Surplus Center at Lincoln, Nebraska. I had looked into a joystick for friend, seems like they were about $1000- extra on a new loader. But this new joystick from Surplus Center was about $300- Closed-center. Two spools, spring to center [no detent] One spool with float, it will detent in float, you do not have to hold it in float. 29 GPM max. 4,600 PSI max. Joystick with 55” cables. I order one and had it UPS to my boars nest before I even made the deal on the 2-135. And it sit in my super tidy machinery storage center until a few days ago. Just where to mount it in the tractor? I would like to have had it so I could run it with my right arm resting on the armrest. Just too much stuff in the way. Hydraulic levers, gearshift. How about to the left of the seat? I think it would have been OK, but it would probably been in the way of getting in and out. Also if I had a rider it sure would have been in the way. Also the best place to put the valve was on top of the small fuel tank in front and below the right side of the cab. Just no place to put the valve on the left side. So the joystick is about a foot farther forward than I would have liked, and a few inches to high. It will be OK. I had figured I would need about a 2-½” square hole just under the joystick for the cables. Now that tractor has a real nice cab interior, and I am going to mess it all up on the right side! First I made a mounting. Then I used a long drill bit and bore-sight drilled right thru the foam to mark where the cables would go thru the cab. Then removed the joystick and cut some foam out, about a inch by two inch section. Next I drilled the two holes with a 3/8” bit. Then I used a air tool that I have to make the holes bigger. One is about 5/8”, the other was a little off, I suppose it is pushing ¾”. Don’t think I messed the cab up very much. Today I got the valve mounted and the cables hooked up. Plumbing. It will get it’s oil from the power-beyond that I put on this spring. I want to use as little NPT as possible, SAE and JIC are a lot easier to take apart, and that day will come sooner or later. Plus they don’t leak. I will put four Pioneer female couplers on the valve, no hoses and no breakaways. The first pic is the joystick, sure wish it was lower and to the rear. The second pic is the valve on top of the fuel tank. The pic was yesterday. It is now bolted down and the cables hooked up. The breakaways for the hoses coming up from the remote hookups in the back were in this area before. The third pic is my hand on the stick. Sure wish my elbow was on the armrest. (2009_09200019.JPG) (2009_09200016.JPG) (2009_09200024.JPG) Attachments ----------------  2009_09200019.JPG (116KB - 701 downloads) 2009_09200016.JPG (92KB - 701 downloads) 2009_09200024.JPG (115KB - 637 downloads) | ||
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| Robert W Greif |
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Dallas Center IA 515-720-2463 | The model I used is not in the new Surplus Center catalog. Must have sold out. However what looks like about the same thing is. But this model is for OPEN CENTER hydraulic systems. Item 9-7725-35 or -55 or dash 78 The last two numbers are the cable lenght in inches. $299.95 to $319.95, depending on cable lenght. Give them a call and ask 800-488-3407 www.surpluscenter.com Pic is cables coming thru cab side Edited by Bobby Greif 9/22/2009 08:50 (2009_09200017.JPG) Attachments ---------------- 2009_09200017.JPG (80KB - 619 downloads) | ||
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| Robert W Greif |
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Dallas Center IA 515-720-2463 | I will get back to this tonight. You will have a Power beyond on that 2-105 in no time for low $$$, and it is right. Do you have a short 1/4" nipple? 1/2" nipple? 1/2" to 1/4" reducing bushing? That is about all you need. Tonight. (2009_09200023.JPG) Attachments ---------------- 2009_09200023.JPG (118KB - 617 downloads) | ||
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| Kooiker |
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As Bobby said you should have the port to install the power beyond. Fortunately for you, you have a White and not a John Deere. To install a Power Beyond on a 4440 or such tractor cost a couple hundred dollars and involves some work. To install a Power Beyond on a White takes a few fitting and a couple short pieces of hose and you're in business.
There is pressurized oil available where the RED circle in the first picture is. There should be a plug in the top of the end cap, remove plug and install hose to get your oil supply.
Return the oil to where I have the BLUE circle in the second pic. There should be a plug there, remove plug and install a hose to return the oil back to the reservoir. There are a few Whites out in circulation that are missing the hole and plug that is circled in BLUE, if you are missing this plug all hope is not lost just ask Bobby how to go about installing one. Bobby and a neighbor of ours are just lucky enough to have the only 2 Whites known to have left Charles City without this plug in it.
We use the Power Beyond for the fan on a White planter and also for a hyd drive spray pump on our sprayer. Using a male coupler on the return makes it impossible to hook the hoses up backwards, which would damage both the planter fan or the sprayer pump. Edited by Kooiker 9/22/2009 21:22 (2-105 hyd port res.jpg) (2-105 rearend rs.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 2-105 hyd port res.jpg (112KB - 631 downloads) 2-105 rearend rs.jpg (114KB - 648 downloads) | |||
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| Robert W Greif |
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Dallas Center IA 515-720-2463 | First off, I did some checking on model numbers. The joystick valve I purchased from The Surplus Center in Jan of 2008 is brand name NIMCO, series CV452, model 2S-4838 This in the spec sheet I have in a the puter I was using then it is listed as for Closed-Center hydraulic systems. In the 2009 Surplus Center catalog and also thru their website, there is a joystick valve that looks just like mine, however it is not the same. This one is a NIMCO model 2S-4835. And it is for Open-Center hydraulic systems. Surplus Center part number - Item 9-7725-35 No where in The Surplus Center catalog or website can I find the valve that I purchased in Jan of 2008. Looking at the Westendorf website it looks to me that Westendorf uses the NIMCO valve on there loaders. Westendorf has several joystick options, one full electronic. I did a Google for NIMCO. Did not find much. There is a manufacturing company in Illinois that may be them, but nothing on hydraulic valves. It could be that your dealer could find a joystick valve for you. www.surpluscenter.com 800-488-3407 (2009_06040020.JPG) Attachments ---------------- 2009_06040020.JPG (107KB - 798 downloads) | ||
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