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jdillfarms
Posted 5/12/2016 21:08 (#5298150)
Subject: Can Keatons firmers make doubles with too much pressure?



NE OK		According to my JD monitor on my 1770NT my seed are dropping right but as the emerge I'm finding a lot of doubles, like they might have gotten dragged together.

o--o--oo----o--o

Like so.... I'm thinking relieving some pressure on the Keatons might keep that from happening.

Has anyone else experienced this?
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Buck S
Posted 5/12/2016 21:39 (#5298226 - in reply to #5298150)
Subject: RE: Can Keatons firmers make doubles with too much pressure?



McLeod County, MN		I am not impressed with Keatons. I get too many doubles too. Especially with seed that is a little larger.
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jdillfarms
Posted 5/12/2016 22:41 (#5298375 - in reply to #5298226)
Subject: RE: Can Keatons firmers make doubles with too much pressure?



NE OK		It is large seed. I've used them for years but put a new set on with my new to me planter and went with the universal, immediately noticing these doubles are very frequent. Will probably back off the pressure bolt, maybe chop the tips like suggested below, and if that doesn't work, pull them alltogether.
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usafarmer
Posted 5/12/2016 21:50 (#5298257 - in reply to #5298150)
Subject: RE: Can Keatons firmers make doubles with too much pressure?


Newfane NY		Took mine off just for that reason.
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buddyandkirby
Posted 5/12/2016 21:56 (#5298275 - in reply to #5298257)
Subject: RE: Can Keatons firmers make doubles with too much pressure?


East central nebraska		I would not plant without them
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silfarmer1997
Posted 5/13/2016 07:13 (#5298660 - in reply to #5298257)
Subject: RE: Can Keatons firmers make doubles with too much pressure?


Southern Illinois		+1
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Pvafarm
Posted 5/12/2016 22:09 (#5298312 - in reply to #5298150)
Subject: RE: Can Keatons firmers make doubles with too much pressure?


Southeast WI		Just relieve yourself of the keetons and return to good, even stands. Im sure some love em but I evaluate 1000's of acres of corn each year. I really dont know where they make stands better. Of course if I sold them or products that "help" them I would like them.
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frytownfarmer
Posted 5/12/2016 22:17 (#5298326 - in reply to #5298150)
Subject: RE: Can Keatons firmers make doubles with too much pressure?



Frytown, Iowa		Cut an inch off of the tips. That last inch can technically drag seed but if cut off you get a good "push" into the bottom of the trench without the roll
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jdillfarms
Posted 5/12/2016 22:38 (#5298369 - in reply to #5298326)
Subject: RE: Can Keatons firmers make doubles with too much pressure?



NE OK		Do you cut it straight off, at an angle, or what?
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twraska
Posted 5/12/2016 22:20 (#5298330 - in reply to #5298150)
Subject: RE: Can Keatons firmers make doubles with too much pressure?


Wallis, TX

Took the Keatons off my planter, they were draggin' seed, sometimes for a whole pass, then dumping them out in a clump.  Worked great when it was dry, not so stellar when moist.

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cornerpost
Posted 5/13/2016 08:30 (#5298824 - in reply to #5298330)
Subject: RE: Can Keatons firmers make doubles with too much pressure?


SE MN Still in Pothole Country		Nobody in my area uses Keatons. In about 2005 we bought a planter just for no-till soybeans from about a 100 miles south of us. It had Keatons. Sensor quit on corn planter and the bean planter was 10 miles closer than dealer. Took seed tube from bean planter. So had one row with a Keaton. It looked like I had an old 494 and was trying to hill drop corn with wrong size plates. Gaps, skips, doubles, and triples. I am sure they work someplace.
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dvswia
Posted 5/13/2016 09:22 (#5298919 - in reply to #5298824)
Subject: RE: Can Keatons firmers make doubles with too much pressure?


sw corner ia.		I have used Keeton's for years and have never once seen a stand that looked like something "dragged" the seed along the trench. It looks to me like it helps make much better seed soil contact than without.

maybe I am not planting in as muddy conditions?
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mhagny
Posted 5/13/2016 18:49 (#5299787 - in reply to #5298919)
Subject: RE: Can Keatons firmers make doubles with too much pressure?


dvswia - 5/13/2016 08:22 I have used Keeton's for years and have never once seen a stand that looked like something "dragged" the seed along the trench. It looks to me like it helps make much better seed soil contact than without. maybe I am not planting in as muddy conditions?

I agree. I've never seen it either.  But all I look at is low-disturbance no-till.  No coulters, no disturbance ahead of the opener.

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dvswia
Posted 5/14/2016 06:43 (#5300565 - in reply to #5299787)
Subject: RE: Can Keatons firmers make doubles with too much pressure?


sw corner ia.		this is in notill as well, I have been using coulters on the back twelve and nothing on the front, but I am about ready to remove them on the back as well.
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mhagny
Posted 5/13/2016 06:23 (#5298576 - in reply to #5298150)
Subject: RE: Can Keatons firmers make doubles with too much pressure?


jdillfarms - 5/12/2016 20:08 According to my JD monitor on my 1770NT my seed are dropping right but as the emerge I'm finding a lot of doubles, like they might have gotten dragged together. o--o--oo----o--o Like so.... I'm thinking relieving some pressure on the Keatons might keep that from happening. Has anyone else experienced this?

is this tilled, or no-till? 

And just a reminder that uniform timing of emergence is more important than uniform spacing.

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jdillfarms
Posted 5/13/2016 07:49 (#5298732 - in reply to #5298576)
Subject: RE: Can Keatons firmers make doubles with too much pressure?



NE OK
mhagny - 5/13/2016 06:23

jdillfarms - 5/12/2016 20:08 According to my JD monitor on my 1770NT my seed are dropping right but as the emerge I'm finding a lot of doubles, like they might have gotten dragged together. o--o--oo----o--o Like so.... I'm thinking relieving some pressure on the Keatons might keep that from happening. Has anyone else experienced this?

is this tilled, or no-till? 

And just a reminder that uniform timing of emergence is more important than uniform spacing.



No till, soybeans. emergence timing seems pretty good.
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twraska
Posted 5/13/2016 15:43 (#5299513 - in reply to #5298576)
Subject: RE: Can Keatons firmers make doubles with too much pressure?


Wallis, TX

mhagny - 5/13/2016 06:23

jdillfarms - 5/12/2016 20:08 According to my JD monitor on my 1770NT my seed are dropping right but as the emerge I'm finding a lot of doubles, like they might have gotten dragged together. o--o--oo----o--o Like so.... I'm thinking relieving some pressure on the Keatons might keep that from happening. Has anyone else experienced this?

is this tilled, or no-till? 

And just a reminder that uniform timing of emergence is more important than uniform spacing.

 

 

We are in tilled ground, and I agree about the uniform emergence,,,,,, to a point.  When you're draggin' several feet worth of seed along not so.

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hone570
Posted 5/13/2016 11:10 (#5299106 - in reply to #5298150)
Subject: RE: Can Keatons firmers make doubles with too much pressure?


EC WI		If you plant in above average moisture conditions consistently, I would never recommend Keetons.
Rebounders from Schaffert are 10 times better IMO. If you plant into drier soils, they are fine, not the other way around.
Myself and 3 neighbors did side by sides in 2011 and they can cause a lot of bunching in wet soils. We have been with Rebounders since then, and we have no-tilled into some wet stuff on heavy silt loams over the years.
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AGDEAL
Posted 5/13/2016 20:29 (#5300005 - in reply to #5298150)
Subject: RE: Can Keatons firmers make doubles with too much pressure?


Illinois		Take them off. We have had that problem. We have had them start to wear and kick the seed out of the center of the trench to a shallower depth. After taking them off We are much happier.

Edited by AGDEAL 5/13/2016 20:30
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